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Albanian term or phrase:pavesuar
English translation:without malicious intent
Entered by: larserik

13:17 Jan 7, 2017
Albanian to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Contract(s)
Albanian term or phrase: pavesuar
Can't find this word in dictionaries, it seems to mean genuine or unadulterated (connected to ves=vice?). Can you confirm or give me a better translation?

Context, from a contract: me vullnetin e tyre të lirë dhe të pavesuar
larserik
Sweden
Local time: 10:31
without malicious intent
Explanation:
I proposed this translation some time ago...

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/albanian_to_english/law_general/55...

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Maybe "without deceit or malice.." would be a better way to put it...But I agree with some and appreciate all the other suggestions, especially the idea of this as possibly a borrowed term and also that perhaps that simply "full and free will" might also be OK here.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2017-01-07 16:38:47 GMT)
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In other words... Iliona's ideas..
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Harold Lemel
United States
Local time: 03:31
Grading comment
Thanks a lot, Harold, Ilona, Parid, and Elvana. To be honest I translated it with "free and honest will" (but in Swedish, as usual).
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3without malicious intent
Harold Lemel
5 +1There is no translation of this word. The word itself does not exist in Albanian.
Oliver Qamili
5pa pengesa ligjore
Klementina Shahini
4 +1I pranueshëm/I vlefshëm
Iliana2010
4genuine
Sherefedin MUSTAFA
4unimpaired will
Edlira Lloha


Discussion entries: 3





  

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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
pa pengesa ligjore


Explanation:
Got the confirmation talked from a lawyer in Tirana. In English I would say, legal issues/obstacles.

Happy Translation!

Klementina Shahini
United States
Local time: 04:31
Native speaker of: Native in AlbanianAlbanian
PRO pts in category: 8
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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
I pranueshëm/I vlefshëm


Explanation:
This is in fact an albanian term but in this specific context it is used as a term borrowed from Italian (mainly in judicial verdicts/notarial acts).
pavesuar - in Albanian means "lagur nga vesa".
This term has been discussed in the past here, and below is the link:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/albanian_to_english/law_general/55...

In the reference below, the author explains the use of the antonym " vesuar". She also explains the reason why ( I also agree with her) this term is used incorrectly as a borrowed legal term.

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Despite the above, I believe that the English term suggested in the old post is totally correct (in terms of legal meaning).

Example sentence(s):
  • “Veprimet juridike, që kryen me vullnet të lirë, synojnë .......... të krijojnë, të ndryshojnë .... pasi nuk mund të diskutohet për zotësi për të vepruar apo vullnet i vesuar në një ......

    Reference: http://alpa.mali-it.eu/pub/aktet/vol/vol2/Aktet_Vol_II_Nr_1_...
Iliana2010
Albania
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in AlbanianAlbanian, Native in GreekGreek

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Elvana Moore
22 hrs
  -> thank you although the correct answer was given by Harold. I think he should get the credits for the best answer :).
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59 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
There is no translation of this word. The word itself does not exist in Albanian.


Explanation:
This is a very stupid term invented I don’t know by who.

It does not appear in any dictionary.
If you ask 50 lawyers, don’t be surprised if you get 50 different explanations.
If you ask lingustits, they will tell you the right thing that it is not a word.

If you translate it word by word (pa+vesuar), it translates “without dew”!!

If you just leave the sentence “In their free will”, you’ll have the correct translation, the content and the context remains true and intact.

There is another more complete version of the sentence “Me vullnetin e tyre të lirë dhe të plotë... = In their free and full will...”

The ones who use “pa vesuar”, when confronted with the question “What does this word mean?” will stutter and invent all sort of explanations - all unclear of course, but they insist in defending their inventions.


Oliver Qamili
Albania
Local time: 10:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Albanian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Iliana2010: Sure there is but with a different meaning.Lawyers may not know it, but it is indeed used more and more lately. We better get used to its meaning as in Albania, the language evolution consists ONLY in the use of borrowed terms...
21 mins
  -> "Sure there is" what? Yes, it is being used (I wouldn't say more), but it still is a non-existing word with a different meaning from anyone who uses it just because he/she has seen/heard it somewhere. Even here we got 5 different "meanings".

agree  Edlira Lloha: Si kristiane e thekur, që jam do të pajtohesha me ty; vullneti i lirë dhe vullneti i pavesuar janë një. Mirëpo, meqë drejtësia e kërkon një kontribut paralel, krahas atij të fesë në lidhje me vullnetin, unë them t’ia njohim.
1331 days
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
genuine


Explanation:
Another possible solution.

Free and genuine will.

Sherefedin MUSTAFA
Netherlands
Local time: 10:31
Native speaker of: Native in AlbanianAlbanian, Native in MacedonianMacedonian
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52 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
without malicious intent


Explanation:
I proposed this translation some time ago...

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/albanian_to_english/law_general/55...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2017-01-07 16:35:54 GMT)
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Maybe "without deceit or malice.." would be a better way to put it...But I agree with some and appreciate all the other suggestions, especially the idea of this as possibly a borrowed term and also that perhaps that simply "full and free will" might also be OK here.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2017-01-07 16:38:47 GMT)
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In other words... Iliona's ideas..


Harold Lemel
United States
Local time: 03:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks a lot, Harold, Ilona, Parid, and Elvana. To be honest I translated it with "free and honest will" (but in Swedish, as usual).

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Iliana2010: Yes and is totally correct. I included it in my explanation :)
16 mins

agree  Parid Plaku
1 hr

agree  Elvana Moore
23 hrs
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1331 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
unimpaired will


Explanation:
Hello everyone,
Unimpaired will [vullneti i pavesuar] represents the cornerstone of the legal vocabulary. Every lawyer is aware of this expression and knows where and how to use it. The expression refers to the will that is not altered by the occurrence of four circumstances, which are: a) threat (duress); b) fraud; c) error; d) dire need. It the party can prove the existence of one, or more of the above circumstances, the contract (among other things) would be void! So, the best way to put it: unimpaired will.


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E lexova me vëmendje artikullin e zonjës Papa dhe mendoj se është qëmtuar me mjaft kujdes. Është e vërtetë që vullneti i vesuar vjen prej italishtes, volonta viziata, mirëpo riprodhimi i kësaj fjale në gjuhën juridike nuk më ngjan që të jetë kaq i gabuar. Në reagim të parë, arsyeja nuk ta pranon si shqipërimin e duhur shprehjen [vullnet i (pa)vesuar]. Ajo të duket si diçka kaq e papranueshme, ngaqë nuk e ke ndeshur të lëvruar. Këtu duket forca e lëvrimit! Lëvrimi i kësaj shprehjeje në gjuhën juridike është i gjithanshëm. Mund të mos lëvrohet në letërsi, në arte, por lëvrohet në drejtësi! Dhe drejtësia është pjesë e pandashme e kulturës së përgjithshme të një njeriu. Kjo shprehje e ka fituar qytetarinë me mund, me këmbëngulje, me punë të imtë, me përkushtimin e juristëve, që nuk e kanë shmangur kurrë nga fjalori i tyre. Do të thoni, që është togfjalësh i sajuar, i stisur, kështu kam menduar edhe vetë në ndeshjen e parë me këtë togfjalësh. Mirëpo, jo. Lëvrimi i tij është i gjithanshëm në (mikro)botën e juristëve. Lëvrimi e ka futur në shqipen standarde!

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Veset e vullnetit = impairments of the will !

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Dhe për të shtuar edhe diçka, fjala ‘ves’ paraqitet në gjuhën ligjore në dy variante:
• Veset e vullnetit [impairments of the will]
• Veset juridike të sendit [the good is not free from any right or claim by a third party]

Në variantin e parë, kur vesi bashkëlidhet me vullnetin, i referohet vetëm katër rrethanave që pezullojnë vullnetin e lirë, që siç thamë, janë: a) kanosja (threat/duress); b) mashtrimi (fraud); lajthitja/lajthimi (error); d) nevoja e madhe (dire need/lesion). Në këto rrethana, çdo veprim juridik supozohet i pavlefshëm.

Pavlefshmëria e veprimit juridik mund të jetë absolute, ose relative.

Pavlefshmëria absolute do të thotë, që veprimi është nul and void, sikur të mos kishte ndodhur kurrë – dhe palët duhet të kthehen në gjendjen fillestare, ngaqë veprimi është i pavlefshëm *ex-tunc (që në rrënjë).

Pavlefshmëria relative do të thotë që veprimi mund të bëhet i vlefshëm (ky quhet ‘sanim’ në gjuhën juridike, do të thotë, që veprimi fiton shëndet) por vetëm nga një moment i dhënë në kohe *ex-nunc (që këtej e tutje). Zakonisht ky moment në kohë llogaritet pas kalimit të një periudhe që nga koha kur vesi i vullnetit ka pushuar.
Nëse kalojnë, supozojmë, 6 muaj nga martesa e bërë nën kanosje dhe pala nuk kërkon shpallje të pavlefshmërisë së martesës, martesa sanohet (dhe bëhet e vlefshme).

Në variantin e dytë, kur vesi bashkëlidhet me sendin, atëherë flasim për një send të lirë nga pretendimet dhe interesat e palëve të treta (mungesa e vesit juridik, më së pari nënkupton që shitësi është pronari i sendit dhe jo dikush tjetër).

Pra, në këtë variantin e dytë, përkufizimi i dhënë nga Klementina do të ishte më i përshtatshmi.


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Korrigjim i rëndësishëm: nëse kalojnë 6 muaj nga pushimi i kanosjes (jo 6 muaj nga martesa!)
Edhe njëherë: nëse kalojnë 6 muaj nga pushimi i kanosjes!
P.s. më bezdis që ky program nuk ofron mundësinë e korrigjimit, sepse, njeriu mund të bëjë lapsuse, që mund të shtyjnë dikë në gabim, dhe nëse ti do të doje ta korrigjoje lapsusin, këtë duhet ta bësh, duke e fshirë.


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To conclude: unimpaired will and free will are essentially the same thing. Suffice to say that will is free, and that would imply that the will is unimpaired. But, for the reasons, which I believe stated with enough clarity, the law (jurisprudence) considers this matter with such high regard, it has such a reverence for the free will that it has built a whole doctrine around it. It really constitutes the fundament of the legal reasoning. Now, when ti comes to the beauty of the expression, the ‘free will’ is by far unsurpassed. It is unrivalled! If I insist, is just for the reason of giving what is due to the contributions of remarkable lawyers, that have been so enthralled by this concept, that they introduced their own version of it, abeit scarce in beauty when compared to 'FREE WILL'!

Edlira Lloha
Albania
Local time: 10:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in AlbanianAlbanian
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