have nothing to do with a woman who is diseased

English translation: You (universal you)/any man should never have anything to do/any interaction with a diseased woman

11:44 Jan 3, 2023
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English term or phrase: have nothing to do with a woman who is diseased
I am translating an Ellen La Motte book "The Backwash of War" about WWI atrocities witnessed by a nurse of a field hospital. I am interested in this part:


A woman nurse came down the ward. She was the only one, and she tried to cover him with the fallen bedding. Marius attempted to clutch her hand, to encircle her with his weak, delirious, amorous arms. She dodged swiftly, and directed an orderly to cover him with the fallen blankets.
Marius laughed in glee, a fiendish, feeble, shrieking laugh. “HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A WOMAN WHO IS DISEASED!” he shouted. “Never! Never! Never!”

I have put the phrase that interests me in capitals. Does he mean "I have nothing to do with a diseased woman" or "[He] who is diseased doesn't have anything to do with a woman"?

Thank you.
Daniil Lebedev
Local time: 23:11
Selected answer:You (universal you)/any man should never have anything to do/any interaction with a diseased woman
Explanation:
The sentence has the form of an injuction, a general one, a maxim. Imagine the verb in the imperative. The man says to himself and to all men in general to never get involved with a a diseased woman (probably referring to the nurse as the 'diseased woman').
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3 +7You (universal you)/any man should never have anything to do/any interaction with a diseased woman
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4 +2He wants nothing to do with her IF she is diseased
Yvonne Gallagher


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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +7
You (universal you)/any man should never have anything to do/any interaction with a diseased woman


Explanation:
The sentence has the form of an injuction, a general one, a maxim. Imagine the verb in the imperative. The man says to himself and to all men in general to never get involved with a a diseased woman (probably referring to the nurse as the 'diseased woman').

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Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Why would he refer to the nurse as a "diseased woman"?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Amanda Foy
4 mins

agree  Clauwolf
17 mins

agree  Charlotte Fleming
24 mins

agree  Ivan Martynov: agree
32 mins

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: He is in no condition to be making pronouncements
43 mins

agree  philgoddard: He's calling her diseased because he's delirious. But he is making pronouncements, so I don't understand Yvonne's comment.
2 hrs

agree  liz askew
2 hrs

agree  Daryo: but it's important to add the logic behind that reaction, what is known in psychology as "sour grapes and sweet lemons" // see https://thebarkingcat.net/of-sour-grapes-and-sweet-lemons/
1 day 16 hrs
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
He wants nothing to do with her IF she is diseased


Explanation:
But this isn't true. HE is the one who is feverish and diseased and whi is trying to grab her hand.

Clearly she is NOT diseased as she is able to dodge away from him so quickly and gets the orderly to pull the blankets over him

So it seems a strange thing fir him to say, but then people don't think straight when feverish so maybe he imagines she is the one who is diseased because she pulls away from him he is feverish


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Note added at 49 mins (2023-01-03 12:33:30 GMT)
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He is "delirious"

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Note added at 1 hr (2023-01-03 12:49:09 GMT)
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Yes, it says he is "delirious" so likely to be imaging things certainly NOT in a position to be making pronouncements.
So it's clear he is the one diseased. Nothing wrong with the nurse who decides she really doesn't want to be grabbed/ groped by him

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Note added at 1 hr (2023-01-03 12:50:12 GMT)
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Typo: imagining (things)

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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2023-01-04 17:49:20 GMT)
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now that I have read all the story I think the fact it's emphasised several times that he is "delirious" and "dying" and in pain so he is just shouting out reactionary responses. These types of reactions are probably ingrained in him so need no thought or consideration before ranting.

He seems to be a rather nasty character who dislikes everyone and/or has a superiority complex.

However, I fail to see HOW it is "an injuction (sic), a general one, a maxim". He is not there in his deathbed thinking of maxims! He is reacting to each situation as it occurs and responding right away.

As Alison has shown, the comment here is likely to be misogynistic: because the nurse has pulled away from him he is annoyed and shouts that SHE is the diseased one just as he probably shouts at heroes that they are cowards etc.

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 17:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 317
Notes to answerer
Asker: Yes, that's why I started having doubts. I didn't understand why he would refer to a nurse as a "diseased woman".


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Julio Carrero
13 mins
  -> Many thanks:-)

agree  Emmanuella
1 hr
  -> Many thanks:-)

neutral  Daryo: I don't see any "if" in this text, only a case of "sour grapes" (as per your final explanation) https://thebarkingcat.net/of-sour-grapes-and-sweet-lemons/
1 day 16 hrs
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