Nov 1, 2007 18:48
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German term

Der Meister und sein Geselle

German to English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature humor
Der Meister und sein Geselle.......

....is to be translated into English in a "funny yet sensible" way....it's for a business card.....any GOOD ideas?
- The master craftsman and his....- doesn't really hit the right note....
Change log

Nov 1, 2007 20:18: Marcus Malabad changed "Term asked" from "Der Meister und sein Geselle......." to "Der Meister und sein Geselle"

Discussion

schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@Paul and Francis - I give up for tonight - maybe it will help if I sleep on it - thanks so far anyway!!
Francis Lee (X) Nov 1, 2007:
IMO impossible to say without knowing what the "Meister" is trying to get across ... But he is, at least, a German-style "Meister" (for which there is no equivalent concept), right? p.s. this ain't for Rupert Murdoch, is it?
Paul Cohen Nov 1, 2007:
Nay- "The master and his mate" sounds like a martime theme to me: "Bid the master and his mate heave the lead and lay her straight
For the prize lying yonder by the guns!" (San Stefano - A Ballad of the Bold "Menelaus")
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@all - OK guys and gals one last hit before I go to bed....what do you think about --- The master and his match (or perhaps better "mate"?)
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@Paul-I honestly do not know who it is designed for as i said it reflects the receiver and also has a picture of the owner of the company on it-perhaps the "Meister" is the receiver and the owner of the company the receivers "Geselle"? I will probably have top go with Francis' suggestion and get in touch with the customer....
Paul Cohen Nov 1, 2007:
Sorry for asking so many questions, but is the card designed for fellow pros (as Frank has surmised) or is it destined for the printer's customers? Is this a printer-to-printer situation? Or is it a printer-customer thing?
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@Francis - I don't see the actual card or where the phrase is - but I do believe that yes, it stands alone (probably at the top)"From one master of his trade to another". I like it, I like it!!
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@Paul-reminder of...or perhaps a reminder THAT there is a professional (Meister) that can help/advise you??? leave it to a professional or let a professional help you .... (I think I've been sitting here too long - I probably just don't get it)Next on the card is - "ACHTEN SIE AUF DIE GUTE MARKE" and then product names from the firm.....
Paul Cohen Nov 1, 2007:
So the receiver of the card is the "Geselle" who emulates/admires/looks up to the "Meister" who sent the card as a gentle reminder of... what? In your opinion, what's the message here? "Need printing? Leave it to a professional, son." ??
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@all - it's a STRANGE thing....the phrase is on a business card which reflects the face of the receiver - that is why the receiver is the Geselle (I know it sounds very weird)
schnuppe (asker) Nov 1, 2007:
@Chetan - no it is not the same person - it is actually supposed to be the person receiving the card (receiver = Geselle)
@ Paul - as I said receiver of the business card is the "Geselle" the field of business is PRINTING
Paul Cohen Nov 1, 2007:
More context, please. What kind of business? What can we see on the card? What kind of RELATIONSHIP would the "Meister" have with his "Geselle"?
casper (X) Nov 1, 2007:
"Der Meister und sein Geselle..." appearing on a business card? I mean, does the phrase refer to one and the same person on the business card?
Armorel Young Nov 1, 2007:
Can you tell us what type of business the "master" is engaged in? - that might help us to think along the right lines.

Proposed translations

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German term (edited): Der Meister und sein Geselle.......
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Old "Hammer" Hank and Young "Nail" Ned his Apprentice

"Funny yet sensible"? Hmmm....

Old "Hammer" Hank and Young "Nail" Ned his Apprentice ... Ka-Bong!! Would that fit the tone? What IS the tone, anyway?

Or: "The master and his disciple"

Don't try to CATCH the arrow, grasshopper! You must BE the arrow!!!



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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-01 20:03:16 GMT)
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You said "the phrase is on a business card which reflects the face of the receiver - that is why the receiver is the Geselle"

How about something along these lines:

"You're looking at another satisfied customer."

Or: "We get it picture perfect every time."

Or: "Looking for great printing? See for yourself."



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Note added at 16 hrs (2007-11-02 11:30:31 GMT)
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Other ideas:
(playing with the theme of who exactly IS the 'master' here...)
"Look and learn from the master"

(It also occurred to me that the best solution may be to leave 'Geselle' untranslated)
"Let the master take you under his wing..."
Peer comment(s):

agree Ingeborg Gowans (X) : you are hilarious, after a long dry session at the hotel brochure (which is almost finished) this is like a fresh breath of wind
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I aim to please, oh great master!
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Paul - you put me on the righ ttrack"
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German term (edited): Der Meister und sein Geselle.......

viruoso and his vassal

Not quite sure what effect you want here--you listed this as humor--so here are a few suggestions to get things started

Maestro and his minion
Craftsman and his cub/colt
Ace and his adherent

We can go on forever like this...
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German term (edited): Der Meister und sein Geselle.......

Ventriloquist and his dummy?

If there is a team of comics....one who is the straight man...
this is tough without any context!
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German term (edited): Der Meister und sein Geselle.......

A professional... serving (fellow-)professionals

Still not really sure what the message is here. 8-(

As I said above, standard interpretations would be "A master and his disciple/squire/pupil/apprentice/journeyman/heir/kinsman", most of which would seem a tad immodest.

And this is a business card specifically designed for fellow-pros (as opposed to one for customers)?

Perhaps you'll a) have to ask the client and b) charge by the hour. ;-)
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The magician and his famulus

Simply for the sheer fun of using the quirky word "famulus"
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21 hrs

The Master and His Apprentice

I assume title case is appropriate, but feel free to change the capitalization to fit your context.
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