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Jun 8, 2020 20:19
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Spanish term

obligaciones y prestaciones

Spanish to English Social Sciences Economics
This is a section of a text reviewing some of Marx's thought on alienation and work:

Por tanto, el trabajo en el cual el hombre se encuentra enajenado, no le pertenece a él, sino a otro hombre. Este señalamiento fundamental de Marx –punto de partida para cualquier sociología relacional futura–, nos presenta al mundo moderno como un entramado de obligaciones y prestaciones forzadas entre los hombres.

Benefits seems too contemporary. The Spanish seems to be a phrase Marx is known for
Proposed translations (English)
4 +6 obligations and duties
4 rights and obligations
2 benefits and burdens
3 -1 duties and payments

Discussion

Avril Shirley Jun 10, 2020:
"prestaciones" could refer to "output" or "performance". In this context "obligaciones y prestaciones" could refer to obligations and output/performance/duties of the worker.
Avril Shirley Jun 10, 2020:
Karl Marx argued that alienation was a natural consequence of capitalism because of several reasons. This is because the workers are manipulated by the forces of capitalism in order to increase productivity and output.

Proposed translations

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obligations and duties

I would say



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On the one hand, morality has been viewed as centrally concerned with the duties and obligations one person owes to another.

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https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/...

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On the one hand, morality has been viewed as centrally concerned with the duties and obligations one person owes to another. So viewed, morality is characterised by certain notions such as duty, obligation, guilt, justice, rights, etc.
Note from asker:
THis seems right, but obligations and duties seem so similar!
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : This is a tautology.
5 hrs
I think you'll find that it's ok Phil
agree John Rynne : "prestaciones" means "performance obligations"
5 hrs
agree Marcelo González
7 hrs
agree patinba : Yes. two "negatives"
11 hrs
agree Luis M. Sosa : In Marx's thought, the working class is under obligation to sell their labor, for they lack any property of means of production. So yours is the right term I think.
13 hrs
agree Avril Shirley
1 day 2 hrs
agree Lydia De Jorge
1 day 16 hrs
thanks to all
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks"
6 mins

rights and obligations

I don't think "benefits" is wrong, but "rights" is a near synonym, as is "entitlements". All of us enjoy rights - other people's obligations to us - and have obligations to other people.

http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/prestación

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Central to Marx's thought was this reciprocity between rights and obligations, ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=3bZdTxBQyUMC&pg=PA1394&lpg=...
Peer comment(s):
neutral John Rynne : They are both burdens
10 hrs
neutral Marcelo González : I agree with John's point, which 'forzadas' would clearly suggest.
12 hrs
neutral Luis M. Sosa : With John, prestaciones forzadas I think does not refer to the rights of the labor force, but to the fact that the labor force must sell their labor to survive.
18 hrs
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benefits and burdens

Pace John R. in a different corporate context - see the second ProZ 'ancillary obligations' weblink, I think prestaciones is the benefits component and Marx's idea has, confusingly, been inverted in the Spanish.
Example sentence:

Justice (if we do not think of it simply as a matter of rights and duties) can bethought of similarly as consisting of principles on which benefits and burdens are distributedin cases where interests conflict.

Reference:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/191328

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-contracts/639417-prestaciones-accesorias.html

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duties and payments

The answer could be any of 'obligations', 'duties' and 'payments', 'loans' or 'performance'. The example sentence below is full of negativity regarding working relationships with resounding conditions of hard labour.

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Obligations are duties.

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I understand firstly that 'prestaciones forzadasas' are 'compulsory payments' or 'loan payments'. In this sense they are duties. After further consideration I believe that the obligations are working responsibilities while duties to pay may be separate though connected with the same. If 'prestaciones' are benefits then they may be about money payments as well as the rights of employees as either (or both) statutory or contractual parts of the conditions of employment.

Entiendo primero que 'prestaciones forzadas' son 'pagas obligatorias'. En este senso son deberes porque hay el adjectivo 'forzadas'. Después de considerarlo de nuevo, entiendo que las obligaciones son las responsabilidades del trabajo mientras que los deberes de pagas pueden ser separados y luego conectados con el mismo, como deudas. No obstante, asimismo, 'prestaciones' pueden ser bienes relacionados con los derechos de los empleados, sean los derechos estatales o contractuales del trabajador en cuanto a las condiciones del empleo y del sueldo.
Example sentence:

Este señalamiento fundamental de Marx - punto de partida para cualquier sociología relacional futura - nos presenta al mundo moderno como un entramado de obligaciones y prestaciones forzadas entre los hombres.

This Marxist fundamental denotation - starting point for any relational sociology with a future - presents the modern world to us like a framework of duties and enforced payments or working performances among men.

Peer comment(s):
neutral David Hollywood : payments in this context?
14 mins
'Prestaciones' are payments or benefits. It mentions '.. prestaciones forzadas entre los hombres', referring to an enforcement among men. If 'payments' or 'benefits' is inappropriate then it may be about enforced production and output.
neutral AllegroTrans : "The answer could be"? Once again, you've just looked in a dictionary and ignored the CONTEXT. Do you understand what we are saying here? Translation isn't simply looking up words. If it was, there would be no need for this forum.
1 day 11 hrs
disagree Lydia De Jorge : Way off track!
1 day 16 hrs
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