May 25, 2004 15:40
20 yrs ago
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French term
empêchement
French to English
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Law (general)
problem: of course I know what the word means (and if I didn't it's in every dictionary).
But:
I need it to express it in English in the widest possible sense and in a formal manner (for a legal-style text). Someone will be replaced if they have an "empêchement" or if they are "empêche". No possibility to specify what the "empêchement" is and I can't exclude any reasons either. And no indication about the length of time either. Needs to be stated very generally.
Any not too long solutions how to express "empêchement" in this context? I am on day 2 of wondering and would appreciate some help.
TIA
But:
I need it to express it in English in the widest possible sense and in a formal manner (for a legal-style text). Someone will be replaced if they have an "empêchement" or if they are "empêche". No possibility to specify what the "empêchement" is and I can't exclude any reasons either. And no indication about the length of time either. Needs to be stated very generally.
Any not too long solutions how to express "empêchement" in this context? I am on day 2 of wondering and would appreciate some help.
TIA
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French term (edited):
emp�chement
Selected
unable to perform their functions
...(someone) will be replaced if they are unable to perform their functions
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Note added at 2 hrs 4 mins (2004-05-25 17:45:25 GMT)
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The meaning of this is very wide and can be used under any circumstances. It is also what is used in legal terms for \"empêchement\".
English version:
\"(6) The employer and employees may select alternate members to serve as replacements for members selected by them who are unable to perform their functions. Alternate members for employee members shall meet the criteria set out in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b).\"
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/2000/20/5604.html
French version:
\"(6) Tant l\'employeur que les employés peuvent désigner des suppléants chargés de remplacer, en cas d\'empêchement, les membres désignés par eux; les suppléants des membres désignés par les employés ou en leur nom doivent répondre aux critères prévus aux alinéas (1)a) et b).
http://lois.justice.gc.ca/fr/2000/20/5236.html
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Note added at 2 hrs 4 mins (2004-05-25 17:45:25 GMT)
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The meaning of this is very wide and can be used under any circumstances. It is also what is used in legal terms for \"empêchement\".
English version:
\"(6) The employer and employees may select alternate members to serve as replacements for members selected by them who are unable to perform their functions. Alternate members for employee members shall meet the criteria set out in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b).\"
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/2000/20/5604.html
French version:
\"(6) Tant l\'employeur que les employés peuvent désigner des suppléants chargés de remplacer, en cas d\'empêchement, les membres désignés par eux; les suppléants des membres désignés par les employés ou en leur nom doivent répondre aux critères prévus aux alinéas (1)a) et b).
http://lois.justice.gc.ca/fr/2000/20/5236.html
Peer comment(s):
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François Rossi
26 mins
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Merci :-)
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: unable to perform functions means uncapacitated in English..this is bad translation fromthe French
46 mins
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No, I think it covers all sorts of reasons why they cannot be there and must be replaced.
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sarahl (X)
: unable to attend plutôt? moins précis, plus passe-partout.
7 hrs
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Oui, bonne idée. Merci Sarah :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
11 mins
French term (edited):
emp�chement
x
is someone is not present or cannot attend or is held up (hopefully not at the bank)
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13 mins
Conor McAuley
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French term (edited):
emp�chement
unforseen events (prevented x from doing y)
General and vague, which is what "empêchement" does.
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Note added at 22 mins (2004-05-25 16:03:17 GMT)
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Otherwise in some situations there is a distinction between \"excused absences\" and \"unexcused absences\".
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Note added at 22 mins (2004-05-25 16:03:17 GMT)
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Otherwise in some situations there is a distinction between \"excused absences\" and \"unexcused absences\".
Peer comment(s):
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: but not for board meetings...it's just absence...unforeseen events is for insurance..you will never see that in board meetings/minutes
3 mins
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An unforseen event is simply something that stops you from doing something Jane
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sarahl (X)
: circumstances rather than events maybe? event brings to mind an act of God, but then again this is my second language.
8 hrs
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Good point Sarah, thanks, circumstances is better.
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33 mins
Hervé du Verle
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French term (edited):
emp�chement
prevented from attending the meeting
another possibility, and that is really what it means
huh?
huh?
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1 hr
Robert Frankling
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French term (edited):
emp�chement
impediment
impediment to ...
hindrance...
barrier...
blockage...
encumbrance...
hampering...
obstruction...
snag...
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GDT
empêchement n. m
synonyme(s)= absence n. f.
Équivalent(s)=English absence
hindrance...
barrier...
blockage...
encumbrance...
hampering...
obstruction...
snag...
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GDT
empêchement n. m
synonyme(s)= absence n. f.
Équivalent(s)=English absence
Peer comment(s):
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: this is not used in bylaws..she already looked at the dictionary
1 hr
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Emérentienne
: now there's a choice ! impediment and hindrance sound general enough to me... or else settle for absence
3 hrs
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Thanks, Cécile, but I wish there were a context...
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Tom Bishop
: In the absence of context... impediment
4 hrs
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thx Tom
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Sarah Walls
: yes, impediment seems the best alternative to me. Other options in a legal context are "bar" or "disqualification", but I think "impediment" probably is the most general equivalent.
9 hrs
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thx
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Bourth (X)
: Impediment. Needn't be an emergency. The people might want to attend their kid's school concert or prefer to sun themselves on a beach in the Carib. rather than attend a dry board meeting!
16 hrs
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Too true.
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French term (edited):
emp�chement
emergency
hindered from being present, NO?
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Note added at 4 mins (2004-05-25 15:44:44 GMT)
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Usually, that is what you see in HR texts...you say legal but it is a work contract?
OR Unexcused absence...
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Note added at 16 mins (2004-05-25 15:56:34 GMT)
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FINAL: absence
if the person is not present...absence carries no connotation one way or the other
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Note added at 18 mins (2004-05-25 15:59:19 GMT)
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I think the French say empechement to say absence.....that\'s how it\'s said in this kind of context..but an empechement makes for an absence
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Note added at 22 mins (2004-05-25 16:03:13 GMT)
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MY FINAL: In by-laws, they state facts. When talking about people attending meetings, those persons are either present or absent. In Enlgish, it\';s \'\'in the absence\" and has NOTHING TO DO WITH unforeseen circumstances..I mean you can be empeche by a foreseen circumtances and still be ABSENT....the root here is that.
cheers
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Note added at 23 mins (2004-05-25 16:04:20 GMT)
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LOOK AT THIS LINGO:
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Did you mean to search for: bylaws \"in the absence of the chairman\"
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Note added at 2 hrs 48 mins (2004-05-25 18:29:15 GMT)
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I WOULD GO WITH ENGLISH USAGE.
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Note added at 4 mins (2004-05-25 15:44:44 GMT)
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Usually, that is what you see in HR texts...you say legal but it is a work contract?
OR Unexcused absence...
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Note added at 16 mins (2004-05-25 15:56:34 GMT)
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FINAL: absence
if the person is not present...absence carries no connotation one way or the other
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Note added at 18 mins (2004-05-25 15:59:19 GMT)
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I think the French say empechement to say absence.....that\'s how it\'s said in this kind of context..but an empechement makes for an absence
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Note added at 22 mins (2004-05-25 16:03:13 GMT)
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MY FINAL: In by-laws, they state facts. When talking about people attending meetings, those persons are either present or absent. In Enlgish, it\';s \'\'in the absence\" and has NOTHING TO DO WITH unforeseen circumstances..I mean you can be empeche by a foreseen circumtances and still be ABSENT....the root here is that.
cheers
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Note added at 23 mins (2004-05-25 16:04:20 GMT)
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LOOK AT THIS LINGO:
... Proposal: Amend current bylaws by renaming “First Vice President of the ... In the absence of the Chairman and President of the Board, the First Vice President ...
www.amcham.ch/chamber/content/Bylaws_03_for_web.pdf - Similar pages
SANAC By Lawswww.orlandosanfordairport.com/sanac/sbylaws.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages
Appendix 4 Park Authority BylawsAppendix 4 Park Authority Bylaws. ... of Fairfax County, Virginia, that the By-Laws of said ... The Vice Chairman, in the absence of the Chairman, shall be vested with ...
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/parks/parkpolicy/app4.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
By-Laws of the Three Affiliated Tribeslib.fbcc.bia.edu/FortBerthold/TATbylaws.asp - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
BY-LAWS OF THE DRAGON RUN STEERING COMMITTEE... vested with authority to perform, in the absence of the chairman, including those ... These By-laws shall become effective immediately upon ... Bylaws Revised 10/28/96. ...
www.mppdc.com/projects/dragonbylaws.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
ByLaws of Ohio County Public LibraryBYLAWS OF OHIO COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY. ... In the absence of the chairman at any regular or special meeting, the members present shall choose one of their number to ...
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YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSIONBYLAWS. ... The Vice Chairman shall preside in the absence of the Chairman and shall fulfill all other duties of the Chairman if the Chairman is unable to perform ...
www.yorkcounty.gov/youthcom/bylaws.htm - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
CSLD BylawsBy-Laws: Children\'s and School Librarians Division. ... Section 2. In the absence of the chairman, the vice-chairman shall ... Bylaws shall be adopted and/or amended ...
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NCSDCC ByLaws-OfficersBy Laws. ... shall serve as presiding officer of Council activities and meetings in the absence of the chairman. ... with a copy of the Council’s Bylaws, as amended. ...
www.statedirectors.org/By_Laws/Officers.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
BYLAWS OF THE... The Chairman, or the presiding member in the absence of the Chairman, shall conduct all ... or amendment thereto), unless modified by these Bylaws, minute order ...
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Did you mean to search for: bylaws \"in the absence of the chairman\"
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I WOULD GO WITH ENGLISH USAGE.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Vicky Papaprodromou
10 mins
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| agree |
Emérentienne
: d'accord, call it absence
4 hrs
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| disagree |
sarahl (X)
: emergency is much stronger than empêchement.
9 hrs
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15 hrs
Conor McAuley
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
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Native in: English (Variants: Irish, British, Wales / Welsh, UK, Scottish)
Works in: French to English, English
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210
French term (edited):
emp�chement
excused absence
Google with "minutes of meeting" + "excused absence" + "unexcused absence", and you get 6 hits.
So if "empêchement" does refer to a meeting, this seems to be the vocabulary that you need.
HTH
pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~uspsstaf/minutes-aug03.htm
www.cab.latech.edu/public/fac-staff/Homes/Cstephen/ 450pics/winter_04/dmz/Contract_v4.doc
So if "empêchement" does refer to a meeting, this seems to be the vocabulary that you need.
HTH
pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~uspsstaf/minutes-aug03.htm
www.cab.latech.edu/public/fac-staff/Homes/Cstephen/ 450pics/winter_04/dmz/Contract_v4.doc
18 hrs
French term (edited):
emp�chement
excused absence or unexcused absence, selon le contexte
une possibilité
Discussion
Thanks again.