Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

coro lirico

English translation:

lyric chorus

Added to glossary by Shera Lyn Parpia
Aug 5, 2014 19:00
9 yrs ago
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Italian term

coro lirico

Non-PRO Italian to English Art/Literary Music
... Grande Orchestra sinfonica Russa “P. J. Chaicowsky” della Repubblica di Udmurtia e del Coro lirico di Craiova e Brasov.

Is this simply "choir"?
Proposed translations (English)
5 lyric chorus
4 +2 operatic chorus

Discussion

Joseph Tein Aug 7, 2014:
I agree That's why I said "basta già" at the end of my last comment. Buon lavoro a tutti!
Joel Schaefer Aug 7, 2014:
beating a dead horse I am tired of this discussion.
Joseph Tein Aug 7, 2014:
Another example This is from the New Orleans Children's Chorus web site:

"The NOCC choirs are the Concert Chorus, Lyric Chorus, Youth Chorale and NOCC Northlake. The Lyric Chorus and NOCC Northlake have also toured North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida and Kansas."

This Lyric Chorus is not an operatic chorus (in the sense of just singing for opera productions).

If our Italian source had wanted to say "opera chorus" I think they would have said "coro dell'opera." One example from an online description of an Aida recording: "Giuseppe Verdi: Aida - Coro Dell'Opera Di Roma, Orchestra Dell'Opera Di Roma, Jonel Perlea"

And this Coro Lirico di Craiova e Brasov is obviously a stand-alone chorus, not tied to an opera production. See the announcement of their performance: " La Filarmonica Statale Russa e il coro lirico di Craiova e Brasov si esibiranno domani alle 21 in Piazza Duomo ad Amalfi, sulla spettacolare scalinata della Cattedrale di S... "

Basta già.
Shabelula Aug 6, 2014:
I was also taught that choir refers to religious or church singings.
Joseph Tein Aug 6, 2014:
More on opera choruses "In opera there is often a large chorus, as well as key characters. The stories are told through solos, duets, ensembles and chorus work. "

"If there’s one thing more powerful than a deep baritone or stunning soprano voice in full flight, it’s when dozens of voices combine to sing together in perfect harmony. An operatic chorus can raise the roof – and opera composers use them to great effect."

Also see this site for a description of a lyric chorus that is different from an operatic chorus: www.smc.edu/AcademicAffairs/Emeritus/Documents/Lyric Chorus Summer Sing 5_22_14.pdf ("The twenty plus member chorus will put you in the mood for summer with their performance of songs of the season and Broadway tunes.")

It's nothing to do with "marketing" ... it's about two different types of choruses that perform in different settings.
Joseph Tein Aug 6, 2014:
Opera chorus Is different from a lyric chorus and it makes no sense to say the two are the same. See for example:

"Opera's most adored spectacle, Giuseppe Verdi's Aida, opens Friday night in Portland, Ore. Alchemy will be in the air, as 70 men and women hang up their street clothes, trade in their separate selves and combine to create a single character: the operatic Chorus. Whether that character wears the costumes of Egyptian priests or Spanish gypsies, the members of the Portland Opera Chorus know that — as much as any soloist — a solid body of choristers can make a good production sublime. "

Shera Lyn Parpia (asker) Aug 6, 2014:
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choir doesn't consider choirs are being limiteded to churches and although a number of defintions say that is "usually" so I don't get the impression that it's a rule. Also see this http://www.glasgowlyric.org.uk/ . Thank you Joel and Joseph for your help.
Joel Schaefer Aug 5, 2014:
lyric vs. operatic ... the difference is only marketing (see: Lyric Opera of Chicago). "Lyric" is not more specific :)
Joseph Tein Aug 5, 2014:
lyric chorus Right, Phil ... no need to ignore it when it fits right into the translation.

Another example: "Berkshire Lyric Chorus and the Blafield Children's Chorus Holiday Concert -. “Making Spirits Bright, a Concert of Christmas Music” ..."
philgoddard Aug 5, 2014:
I don't think you can just ignore "lirico".

Proposed translations

1 hr
Selected

lyric chorus

It seems we have a direct translation of this ... lots and lots of hits on google for "lyric chorus".

For example: "San Francisco Lyric Chorus is an auditioned, medium-sized, mixed-voice chorus that performs a diverse repertoire with an emphasis on classical choral music ..."
Peer comment(s):

disagree writeaway : http://www.sannioteatrieculture.it/dettagliocomunicato.php?v... /ref shows that it's an opera chorus. Lirico normally means opera anyway in this context. I am changing this to a disagree since it is actually wrong, without a doubt
22 mins
"...uno studio sugli animali e la loro qualità di movimento nello spazio, sugli impulsi che generano le loro azioni, sul controllo della muscolatura, la postura, l'equilibrio..." ??? This has absolutely nothing to do with opera or choruses.
agree philgoddard
6 hrs
Thanks, Phil.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, did a lot of googling and decided this fitted the context best :)"
+2
19 mins

operatic chorus

You could go with Craiova-Brasov Opera Chorus, but definitely not choir. Choirs belong to cathedrals. A concert group like this is a chorus.

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Note added at 22 hrs (2014-08-06 17:44:02 GMT)
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Let's not forget that we're trying to help the asker with the word "lirico". An Italian monolingual dictionary will clarify that in this context it means related to opera. I'm trying to help by giving my opinion as a professional musician (including in opera).
Note from asker:
Thank you for your input Joel!
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : Why opera?
31 mins
Lirico generally means relating to opera, rather than lyric poetry.
agree writeaway : opera chorus http://www.sannioteatrieculture.it/dettagliocomunicato.php?v...
1 hr
thanks!
neutral Joseph Tein : Of course we're trying to help the asker ... can't disagree with that. I've sung in a lot of vocal ensembles (not professional) and either I'm missing something or there's still a distinction and lyric choruses still stand alone. See new discussion note.
10 hrs
I find no support for your idea that "a lyric chorus stands alone", nor for the assertion that it's different somehow than an operatic chorus.
agree Peter Cox
12 hrs
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