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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

dispensed with post consultation

English answer:

held after the consultation

Added to glossary by Mohamed Ghazal
Feb 12, 2010 23:38
14 yrs ago
English term

dispensed with post consultation

English Law/Patents General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Letter
As discussed with you on (date), XXX's position has not changed regarding the events that occurred on (date). Therefore, unless the complainants have changed their position, XXX does not think it would be useful to discuss the same issues again and would suggest that any arrangements for discussion in this regard be dispensed with post consultation with Mr YYY and Ms ZZZ.
Responses
4 +1 held after the consultation
5 dispensed with after consultation
4 managed without post consultation
4 no further disscussions between initial parties; post-consultations between yyy and zzz only

Discussion

Katalin Horváth McClure Feb 14, 2010:
Use the "Contribute to this entry" option The Glossary entry also can be commented on (for the sake of future users). The link is in the upper right corner.

EDIT AFTER DOING IT MYSELF:
I did post a disagree with explanations to the Glossary entry, using the "Contribute to this entry" option. It does not have any visible effect. The "contribution" does not show up in the KOG anywhere. I think there was a forum discussion about it and I vaguely remember Enrique promised to change this - not yet, it seems.
Katalin Horváth McClure Feb 14, 2010:
Yes, this glossary entry makes no sense In fact, none of the listed answers would, if simply copied into the glossary input fields.
Bernhard Sulzer Feb 14, 2010:
@ Mohamed: questionable glossary entry Not only is the glossary entry more than questionable but the only agree the chosen answer received was awarded for an interpretation of the term in question that is different from the one suggested by the glossary entry. To ensure receiving correct answers and valuable feedback from other translators it is often necessary for the asker to answer additional questions that translators have (see below), mostly with regard to more context.
Just my input.
juvera Feb 14, 2010:
Misleading entry into glossary "dispensed with post consultation" simply means that they decided not to have any post consultation, and the glossary entry in this case is not correct.
When we read the whole sentence, then the real question emerges: "any elements for discussion in this regard be dispensed with post consultation".
There is a big difference!
Katalin Horváth McClure Feb 14, 2010:
The way I understand the situation I think the participants in this case are:
1. XXX: probably a company or a person,
2. the attorney representing XXX and writing the asked sentence, let's call him AAA
3. Mr. YYY and Ms. ZZZ: the complainants
4. the attorney representing YYY and ZZZ, he is the one this sentence is addressed to, let's call him CCC.
So, AAA is saying that his client, XXX has not changed its position, and if the complainants (YYY and ZZZ) have not changed theirs, there is no need for further discussion, XXX does not want any more discussions at all. AAA is telling CCC to consult his clients (YYY and ZZZ) and tell them this (that since neither of the parties have changed their positions, no further discussions can occur). Of course, this is an indirectly expressed pressure for YYY and ZZZ to change their positions.
Melanie Nassar Feb 13, 2010:
Agree with Bernhard It would help to know who Y and Z are. This sentence is a bit confusing. It could be rephrased: Therefore, unless the complainants have changed their position, XXX, after consulting with Mr YYY and Ms ZZZ, does not think it would be useful to discuss the same issues again and would suggest that any arrangements for discussion in this regard be dispensed with.
Bernhard Sulzer Feb 13, 2010:
do without any more discussions In my understanding, Mr XXX is for a "total stop of arrangements for discussion(s) and any discussion(s)" after consulting with Mr. YYY and Ms. ZZZ. It might help if you could tell us the relation between Mr. XXX and Mr. YYY and Ms. ZZZ.
The reason why I understand it this way rather than expecting arrangements for discussion to resume after consultation (= until after) is that Mr. XXX is no longer interested in having any discussions.
Catharine Cellier-Smart Feb 13, 2010:
what I understand is that if the complainants DO change their position, then discussions relating to that should be held after the consultation.
Mohamed Ghazal (asker) Feb 12, 2010:
That was my initial though. But they did say they had nothing to discuss if the complainants have not changed their position!!

Responses

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Selected

held after the consultation

post here means after.
dispense with means to get it over and done with.

So the idea is that after the consultation with Mr YYY and Ms ZZZ they get the arrangements for discussion out of the way so they don't need to hold them again.
Peer comment(s):
agree Ildiko Santana : A comma before 'post' would have probably made this lengthy sentence flow better, but I agree that what this means is they first want a consultation with Mr YYY and Ms ZZZ, and after that no further arrangements for discussion on this subject.
18 hrs
neutral Bernhard Sulzer : @ ildiko: that's not what the answerer is suggesting (IMO)
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dispensed with after consultation

post is being used as in its meaning as a prefix, after in time or order; following. As in a postdated check.

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Note added at 16 mins (2010-02-12 23:55:37 GMT)
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The dispensed with refers back to the attorneys involved who are "dispensing" with any further disucssion between them (the attorneys) until they further consult with their clients YYY and ZZZ. In this type of legal language, dispense means simply to halt or to stop and therefore any plans for discussion between lawyers are a waste of time. The next step is the consultation with clients.

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Note added at 17 mins (2010-02-12 23:56:42 GMT)
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Beter said, "dispensed with until after consultation"




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Note added at 21 mins (2010-02-13 00:00:34 GMT)
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Phrasal Verb:
dispense with
1. To manage without; forgo: Let's dispense with the formalities.
2. To get rid of; do away with: a country that has dispensed with tariff barriers.

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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009.

Peer comment(s):
neutral Bernhard Sulzer : no more discussions or just until after the consultation? Also see my discussion entry.
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managed without post consultation

Like Catharine and Stephanie pointed out, post here means after, so after consultation. Dispensed in this context is used as a phrasal verb "dispense with" meaning managing without or forgo, as in 'Let's dispense with the formalities'.

Therefore, unless the complainants have changed their position regarding the matter, XXX thinks that it is useless to discuss the same matter again and making arrangements with Mr YYY and Ms ZZZ to discuss the same matter would be unnecessary and could be skipped.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dispense with
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no further disscussions between initial parties; post-consultations between yyy and zzz only

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