Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
dès ayant ces présentes
English translation:
upon receipt of this present contract
Added to glossary by
Chris Hall
Jan 26, 2010 00:31
14 yrs ago
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French term
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Native in: English (Variants: British, UK)
Works in: French to English, English
dès ayant ces présentes
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Sale of land ownership
Dear all,
Context is as follows:
PRIX :-
La présente vente est faite aux charges ordinaires et de droit et en outre pour et moyennant le prix principal de XXX ROUPIES que le vendeur reconnait avoir reçu et touché de l’acquéreur ***dès ayant ces présentes*** et hors la vue du Notaire soussigné.
Many thanks in advance as always. Best regards, Chris.
Context is as follows:
PRIX :-
La présente vente est faite aux charges ordinaires et de droit et en outre pour et moyennant le prix principal de XXX ROUPIES que le vendeur reconnait avoir reçu et touché de l’acquéreur ***dès ayant ces présentes*** et hors la vue du Notaire soussigné.
Many thanks in advance as always. Best regards, Chris.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | upon receipt |
Paul Hamelin
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| 4 +1 | prior to this deed |
Bourth (X)
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| 3 +1 | previous to the present act |
Jennifer Levey
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Proposed translations
9 mins
Paul Hamelin
Luxembourg
Luxembourg
Native in French
Luxembourg
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, German to French, Spanish to French, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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8
Selected
upon receipt
upon receipt of this [agreement] [contract] [etc.]...
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Note added at 39 minutes (2010-01-26 01:11:17 GMT)
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dès ayant [les présentes] = dès qu'il aura reçu", "dès qu'il aura", "dès qu'il sera en possession", etc., [des présentes] [des présentes pièces] [des présents documents]
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-01-26 01:39:48 GMT)
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I particularly like the "disagree", whereas there's an obvious confusion between "le vendeur" et "l'acquéreur" in some readers' minds.
There's no typo here as "avant" would be even more meaningless than "ayant"!
Il suffit de lire et de comprendre...
:-)
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Note added at 39 minutes (2010-01-26 01:11:17 GMT)
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dès ayant [les présentes] = dès qu'il aura reçu", "dès qu'il aura", "dès qu'il sera en possession", etc., [des présentes] [des présentes pièces] [des présents documents]
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-01-26 01:39:48 GMT)
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I particularly like the "disagree", whereas there's an obvious confusion between "le vendeur" et "l'acquéreur" in some readers' minds.
There's no typo here as "avant" would be even more meaningless than "ayant"!
Il suffit de lire et de comprendre...
:-)
Note from asker:
| Does it sound natural to say "which the seller acknowledges having received from the buyer upon receipt of this present contract"? Many thanks. |
| It is most definitely "seller" and not "vendor" in this context - you are correct. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks Paul. Kind regards, Chris."
+1
15 mins
Jennifer Levey
Chile
Chile
Native in English
Specializes in field
Chile
Human-scale Globalization
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
128
previous to the present act
I suspect that the source text should read:
"dès a*V*ant ces présentes et hors la vue du Notaire soussigné."
meaning that the payment was received by the vendor in advance (of the signing of the contract) and out of sight of (unwitnessed by) the notary.
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Note added at 19 mins (2010-01-26 00:51:26 GMT)
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FWIW: 'dès avant' outnumbers 'dès ayant' by about 1000 to 1 in Google - and most of the top 50 Ghits for 'dès ayant' actually refer to dice (e.g.: 'dès, ayant six faces').
"dès a*V*ant ces présentes et hors la vue du Notaire soussigné."
meaning that the payment was received by the vendor in advance (of the signing of the contract) and out of sight of (unwitnessed by) the notary.
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Note added at 19 mins (2010-01-26 00:51:26 GMT)
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FWIW: 'dès avant' outnumbers 'dès ayant' by about 1000 to 1 in Google - and most of the top 50 Ghits for 'dès ayant' actually refer to dice (e.g.: 'dès, ayant six faces').
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Bourth (X)
: I must learn to be less longwinded ... ;-)
4 mins
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| neutral |
Paul Hamelin
: No. It's not a typo for "dès avant". It just means "dès qu'il aura reçu". And note that in your Google references, there's a big difference between "dès" and "dés" !
17 mins
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The previous phrase in the ST says "reconnait avoir reçu ...", so why would it later say "dès qu'il aura reçu"? //I didn't Google 'dés' :)
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+1
18 mins
prior to this deed
I think it should be dès aVant.
And I wondered if it was not Mauritian!
This is "boilerplate" covering the Notaire in cases where buyer actually pays seller more than the declared amount and slips an envelope containing cash across the table to the seller under the nose of the Notaire or while the Notaire slips out of the room supposedly to relieve an urgent need.
The Notaire cannot acknowledge that he is party to this tax-evasion exercise so insists that it happened both hors sa vue and dès avant les présentes. It wasn't Malvolio who said "Methinks thou dost protest too much", was it?
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-01-26 07:36:47 GMT)
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I take back the comment about it being dès aVant. Paul is right. Since the context implies it is at least in part a cash transaction, it would be foolish to part with money before the deed is signed, so quite apart from the fact that the word as written is aYant, it makes sense that it should be dès aYant, "upon having the present deed (signed)".
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-26 09:01:03 GMT)
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I feel like a yo-yo on this one. I can certainly see the logic behind it being dès ayant, but that expression is really quite rare, if you Google it. In fact, a surprising number of ghits for the term are in fact typos for dès aVant ! Which of course doesn't mean it has to be dès avant here, though the transferral of cash in what is presumably a large amount would tend to suggest it would not be before establishment of the legal document. Or maybe it's a piddling amount, the transfer of property has long since happened, de facto, and this is just a legal tying up of loose ends.
Speaking of which, I could be AC/DC on this one.
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-26 09:02:32 GMT)
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Anyone know a friendly notaire they could ring and ask?
And I wondered if it was not Mauritian!
This is "boilerplate" covering the Notaire in cases where buyer actually pays seller more than the declared amount and slips an envelope containing cash across the table to the seller under the nose of the Notaire or while the Notaire slips out of the room supposedly to relieve an urgent need.
The Notaire cannot acknowledge that he is party to this tax-evasion exercise so insists that it happened both hors sa vue and dès avant les présentes. It wasn't Malvolio who said "Methinks thou dost protest too much", was it?
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-01-26 07:36:47 GMT)
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I take back the comment about it being dès aVant. Paul is right. Since the context implies it is at least in part a cash transaction, it would be foolish to part with money before the deed is signed, so quite apart from the fact that the word as written is aYant, it makes sense that it should be dès aYant, "upon having the present deed (signed)".
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-26 09:01:03 GMT)
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I feel like a yo-yo on this one. I can certainly see the logic behind it being dès ayant, but that expression is really quite rare, if you Google it. In fact, a surprising number of ghits for the term are in fact typos for dès aVant ! Which of course doesn't mean it has to be dès avant here, though the transferral of cash in what is presumably a large amount would tend to suggest it would not be before establishment of the legal document. Or maybe it's a piddling amount, the transfer of property has long since happened, de facto, and this is just a legal tying up of loose ends.
Speaking of which, I could be AC/DC on this one.
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Note added at 8 hrs (2010-01-26 09:02:32 GMT)
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Anyone know a friendly notaire they could ring and ask?
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jennifer Levey
: Longwinded? - Maybe - but informative and entertaining as always...
5 mins
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| neutral |
Paul Hamelin
: No. It's not a typo for "dès avant". It just means "dès qu'il aura reçu"
8 mins
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