Feb 4, 2015 11:07
9 yrs ago
Spanish term
Ireland
FR & SP > ENG Translator
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
desencono, desenconarse
Spanish to English
Tech/Engineering
Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Nautical engineering
HOLGURA INICIAL AL DESENCONARSE
I am working from a ppt with very sparse wording. The term relates to repairs being carried out on a docked ship and my hunch is that the term has something to do with the rudder stock cones. The Spanish is either Cuban or Panamanian.
I am working from a ppt with very sparse wording. The term relates to repairs being carried out on a docked ship and my hunch is that the term has something to do with the rudder stock cones. The Spanish is either Cuban or Panamanian.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | defouling/scraping |
Helena Chavarria
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| 3 | smooth(ing) |
Lee Shotton
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Proposed translations
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Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Striving for excellence
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
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defouling/scraping
I know outer layer of cured Spanish ham is called 'cona'. So maybe the term refers to scraping or defouling (removing the outer layer) the ship's hull or another part.
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It has long been known that fouling on a ship’s hull greatly increases hull friction and slows the vessel down, making it more sluggish and less maneuverable.
Technology advanced to the point where ship hulls could be cleaned with the ship still in the water by divers using a variety of hand and mechanical tools and scrapers. Cleaning the hull with the ship in the water avoided beaching and careening or the more modern equivalent, drydocking, thus saving time and expense while still getting the job done.
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/d3c2d740deb178cffaa9a7c21/files...
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The matter was first determined by London arbitration, and then by the English High Court. The Court confirmed its agreement with the arbitration award, which found that the charterer was not liable for the de-fouling costs. It found as a question of fact that although the cargo might have been discharged at Visak in a shorter time, it was not outside an owner’s reasonable expectation that the ship might spend three weeks there in the entirely ordinary course of employment.
http://www.ukdefence.com/images/assets/documents/UKDC_Soundi...
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Note added at 7 hrs (2015-02-04 19:04:21 GMT)
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Sorry, 'I know THE outer layer of Spanish cured ham...'
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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-02-04 19:16:40 GMT)
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After discussing the term with a Spanish/Catalan native, I've discovered that 'cona' is in fact a Catalan word and is spelt 'conna', with double 'n'.
'Dissenyada per treure la conna del pernil curat per les dues cares a la vegada', which means 'Designed for removing the skin from cured ham on both sides at the same time'.
http://www.quicial.com/ca/cataleg/b-pernils-b/desconnadora-a...
However, I still think my suggestion could be right.
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Note added at 5 days (2015-02-09 13:37:13 GMT) Post-grading
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Now you've provided further context, I thin it could refer to removing the propellor (shaft) cone.
http://marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/surveyor...
http://www.sterndrive.com/board/show_subtopic.cfm?ID=5057&To...
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It has long been known that fouling on a ship’s hull greatly increases hull friction and slows the vessel down, making it more sluggish and less maneuverable.
Technology advanced to the point where ship hulls could be cleaned with the ship still in the water by divers using a variety of hand and mechanical tools and scrapers. Cleaning the hull with the ship in the water avoided beaching and careening or the more modern equivalent, drydocking, thus saving time and expense while still getting the job done.
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/d3c2d740deb178cffaa9a7c21/files...
Page 2:
The matter was first determined by London arbitration, and then by the English High Court. The Court confirmed its agreement with the arbitration award, which found that the charterer was not liable for the de-fouling costs. It found as a question of fact that although the cargo might have been discharged at Visak in a shorter time, it was not outside an owner’s reasonable expectation that the ship might spend three weeks there in the entirely ordinary course of employment.
http://www.ukdefence.com/images/assets/documents/UKDC_Soundi...
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Note added at 7 hrs (2015-02-04 19:04:21 GMT)
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Sorry, 'I know THE outer layer of Spanish cured ham...'
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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-02-04 19:16:40 GMT)
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After discussing the term with a Spanish/Catalan native, I've discovered that 'cona' is in fact a Catalan word and is spelt 'conna', with double 'n'.
'Dissenyada per treure la conna del pernil curat per les dues cares a la vegada', which means 'Designed for removing the skin from cured ham on both sides at the same time'.
http://www.quicial.com/ca/cataleg/b-pernils-b/desconnadora-a...
However, I still think my suggestion could be right.
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Note added at 5 days (2015-02-09 13:37:13 GMT) Post-grading
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Now you've provided further context, I thin it could refer to removing the propellor (shaft) cone.
http://marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/surveyor...
http://www.sterndrive.com/board/show_subtopic.cfm?ID=5057&To...
1 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks for your response, but I don't think that this is correct in the context. The action described would affect clearance, which is a measurement. "
7 hrs
Lee Shotton
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Well-researched and nuanced translations
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, Catalan to English
smooth(ing)
The definition of "desenconar" from the RAE is:
Dicho de una cosa: Hacerse suave perdiendo la aspereza.
"Smoothing" is the first word that comes to mind (though there's definitely others and probably better ones) and would certainly fit in the context of the cleaning or clearing of something from a ship's part.
Hope this helps!
Dicho de una cosa: Hacerse suave perdiendo la aspereza.
"Smoothing" is the first word that comes to mind (though there's definitely others and probably better ones) and would certainly fit in the context of the cleaning or clearing of something from a ship's part.
Hope this helps!
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Many thanks for your response Lee, but I'm afraid that this does not fit the context as "holgura" means clearance and is a measurement. |
Reference comments
4 hrs
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
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Reference:
With so little context, and honestly, not knowing anything about the subject area, but in keeping with your hunch regarding the "rudder stock cones", I found these, and a wild guess it may have to do with for want of a better word "decoupling" or "slipping": I admit it is a bit wild.
See references I found for what they are worth (but I understand nothing)!:
http://marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com/2013/01/rudder-rudd...
Surveyor Guide Notes for Rudder, Rudder Stock and Pintle Survey
Rudder Stock and Pintle
The following should be looked for on the rudder stock and pintle:
Excessive clearance between sleeve and bush of the rudder stock/pintle beyond the allowable limit specified by the Classification Society.
Condition of sleeve. If the sleeve is loose, ingress of water may have caused corrosion.
Deep pitting corrosion in the rudder stock and pintle adjacent to the stainless steel sleeve.
****Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling with hydraulic pressure connection, sliding of the rudder stock cone in the cast piece may cause severe surface damages.*******
Where a stainless steel liner/sleeve/cladding for the pintle/rudder stock is fitted into a stainless steel bush, an additional check should be made for crevice corrosion.
http://www.photographers1.com/Sailing/NauticalTerms&Nomencla...
Surveyor Guide Notes for Rudder, Rudder Stock and Pintle ...
marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com/.../rudder-rudder-stock-and-pintle-su...
Jan 14, 2013 - Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling with hydraulic pressure connection, sliding of the rudder stock cone in the ...
Hull and Structural Surveys - Page 322 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com.jm/books?isbn=9280141880
2004 - Hulls (Naval architecture)
Deep pitting corrosion in the rudder stock and pintle adjacent to the stainless steel sleeve. - Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling ...
Marine info 57: Rudder Survey - Academia.edu
www.academia.edu/6938239/Marine_info_57_Rudder_Survey
Generally, in this case, the rudder stock and the upper rudder plate remain. ..... Possible twisting deformation or slipping of cone connection can be observed by ...
[PDF]Container ships guidelines for surveys - IACS
www.iacs.org.uk/document/public/Publications/.../REC_84_pdf...
(d) Foot protection: Safety shoes or boots with steel toe caps and non-slip soles shall always be ...... ****slipping of rudder stock cone coupling.***** For a vertical cone ...
[PDF]GENERAL CARGO SHIPS - Guidelines For Surveys ...
www.uscg.mil/imo/ssc/AttachmentG.pdf
Area 3 Stern frame, rudder arrangement and propeller shaft ..... increase the possibility of the ladder feet slipping. ...... Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling.
See references I found for what they are worth (but I understand nothing)!:
http://marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com/2013/01/rudder-rudd...
Surveyor Guide Notes for Rudder, Rudder Stock and Pintle Survey
Rudder Stock and Pintle
The following should be looked for on the rudder stock and pintle:
Excessive clearance between sleeve and bush of the rudder stock/pintle beyond the allowable limit specified by the Classification Society.
Condition of sleeve. If the sleeve is loose, ingress of water may have caused corrosion.
Deep pitting corrosion in the rudder stock and pintle adjacent to the stainless steel sleeve.
****Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling with hydraulic pressure connection, sliding of the rudder stock cone in the cast piece may cause severe surface damages.*******
Where a stainless steel liner/sleeve/cladding for the pintle/rudder stock is fitted into a stainless steel bush, an additional check should be made for crevice corrosion.
http://www.photographers1.com/Sailing/NauticalTerms&Nomencla...
Surveyor Guide Notes for Rudder, Rudder Stock and Pintle ...
marinesurveypractice.blogspot.com/.../rudder-rudder-stock-and-pintle-su...
Jan 14, 2013 - Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling with hydraulic pressure connection, sliding of the rudder stock cone in the ...
Hull and Structural Surveys - Page 322 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com.jm/books?isbn=9280141880
2004 - Hulls (Naval architecture)
Deep pitting corrosion in the rudder stock and pintle adjacent to the stainless steel sleeve. - Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling. For a vertical cone coupling ...
Marine info 57: Rudder Survey - Academia.edu
www.academia.edu/6938239/Marine_info_57_Rudder_Survey
Generally, in this case, the rudder stock and the upper rudder plate remain. ..... Possible twisting deformation or slipping of cone connection can be observed by ...
[PDF]Container ships guidelines for surveys - IACS
www.iacs.org.uk/document/public/Publications/.../REC_84_pdf...
(d) Foot protection: Safety shoes or boots with steel toe caps and non-slip soles shall always be ...... ****slipping of rudder stock cone coupling.***** For a vertical cone ...
[PDF]GENERAL CARGO SHIPS - Guidelines For Surveys ...
www.uscg.mil/imo/ssc/AttachmentG.pdf
Area 3 Stern frame, rudder arrangement and propeller shaft ..... increase the possibility of the ladder feet slipping. ...... Slipping of rudder stock cone coupling.
Note from asker:
| Many thanks for your help Taña. I think your response is the closest to the real meaning as "desenconar" is something that would affect clearance. |
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