Jan 12, 2015 15:05
9 yrs ago
Portuguese term

conduzem a forma derivada

Portuguese to English Social Sciences Linguistics theoretical linguistics
Também nesses casos as mesmas diretrizes apresentadas em 1.4 se aplicam, ressaltando-se que os sufixos derivacionais conduzem a forma derivada ao padrão de acento regular da língua.

Buh.....

Also, in these cases the same guidelines presented in 1.4 apply. This highlights how the derivational suffixes lead the derivative form to the regular stress pattern of the language.

Discussion

Muriel Vasconcellos Jan 13, 2015:
Thanks! That helps a lot. The more context you can provide in the future, the easier it will be to sort out the real meaning.
zabrowa (asker) Jan 13, 2015:
"guidelines" is certainly the wrong word... but here are the "guidelines" mentioned:

Podem ser assim descritas as características acentuais dos chamados não verbos no português: i) a maioria absoluta das palavras da língua são paroxítonas, de modo que essa regularidade se intensifica ainda mais em palavras terminadas em vogal; ii) para as palavras terminadas em consoantes, a tendência é que o acento seja oxítono; iii) sufixos derivacionais costumam manter as diretrizes (i) e (ii) mudando a posição do acento para satisfazê-las; e iv) sufixo flexional de número não interfere na posição do acento
Muriel Vasconcellos Jan 13, 2015:
Could you please post more? Could you please post the preceding sentences? Without knowing what the"diretrizes" are, it's hard to translate the rest. (I've never heard the term 'guidelines' used in linguistics, so something else is going on here.)

Proposed translations

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with [derivational suffixes] the derived form follows

OK, maybe 'guidelines' is what the author means. They aren't 'rules' and they aren't 'criteria'. They are generalizations that are not supposed to apply in all cases.

Here's how I would translate the sentence:

'The guidelines listed in 1.4. also apply in these cases, further supporting the assumption that with derivational suffixes the derived form follows the regular stress pattern of the language'

forma derivada = derived form

Note: Grammarians don't like to use 'this' when it doesn't modify a noun.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks a lot, Muriel. This suggestion makes a complex sentence very clear. "
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... result in

I have restructured the ending of this sentence in order to use this verb.

"...result in the regular accent pattern of the language through its derivative form."
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lead the derivative form to

"...the derivational suffixes lead the derivative form to the regular stress pattern of the language" seems good to me.

Ref.:
It was found that making the final constituent of a word transparent to the rules will lead to the correct stress pattern.
http://www.iasj.net/iasj?func=fulltext&aId=64152
Peer comment(s):

agree Mario Freitas :
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Obrigado, Mario!
neutral Muriel Vasconcellos : In linguistics we say 'derived form' in speaking of a word. The reference you cite are not about word formation.
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In linguistics, there are plenty of occurrences of "derivative form". Ref.: https://www.google.com/search?q="derivative form" linguistic...
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