Nov 8, 2016 16:55
7 yrs ago
German term
United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English 
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
schlafender Schlüssel
German to English
Social Sciences
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
ego development
On ego development researcher Kegan:
Das sich daraus ergebende Subjekt-Objekt-Gleichgewicht beschreibt er als ein grundlegendes Prinzip der Organisation des Selbst. Er bezeichnet es als „den schlafenden Schlüssel zum besseren Verständnis von Transformationen“ (Debold & Kegan, 2003, S. 84).
I can't find "schlafender Schlüssel" online. Is it an idiom of some sort? A "sleeping key" doesn't mean anything to me.
Thanks!
Das sich daraus ergebende Subjekt-Objekt-Gleichgewicht beschreibt er als ein grundlegendes Prinzip der Organisation des Selbst. Er bezeichnet es als „den schlafenden Schlüssel zum besseren Verständnis von Transformationen“ (Debold & Kegan, 2003, S. 84).
I can't find "schlafender Schlüssel" online. Is it an idiom of some sort? A "sleeping key" doesn't mean anything to me.
Thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 5 +4 | sleeping key |
Simon Willmott
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| 3 +1 | underlying key (to a better understanding of transformations) |
Michael Martin, MA
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Proposed translations
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Simon Willmott
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United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
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Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
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sleeping key
Thanks to the excellent comments in the discussion box, I managed to find the original EN article using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. Here is the relevant quote:
Have you ever heard such a big buildup to the subject-object relationship, which is usually presented as the driest thing in the world? The darling of sophomore philosophy class, it just puts everyone to sleep. But what I'm trying to do is create this recognition that it's a sleeping key to a better understanding of transformation.
Have you ever heard such a big buildup to the subject-object relationship, which is usually presented as the driest thing in the world? The darling of sophomore philosophy class, it just puts everyone to sleep. But what I'm trying to do is create this recognition that it's a sleeping key to a better understanding of transformation.
Note from asker:
| Wow! What the heck is the Internet Archive Wayback Machine? Sounds highly useful. |
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Johanna Timm, PhD
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Björn Vrooman
: KudoZ to you! Just proves everything that went online will stay online forever. Really great that you've found that. Thought that was likely a mistranslation, since the original is in English, but no, it's a "sleeping key."
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To be fair, you laid the groundwork by finding the article title.
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Alison MacG
: Well done, Simon. Respect!
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philgoddard
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everyone for good sleuthing! (It makes no more sense to me in English, even with the full original sentence, than it did in German!)"
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Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
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English
Specializes in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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underlying key (to a better understanding of transformations)
That's my less than educated guess at this point (or 'underlying key to better understand transformations')
The German already sounds like a bad translation...
The German already sounds like a bad translation...
Discussion
Yes, I know. I'm just saying it wouldn't be that helpful anyways; finding the 2002 link (the English version) could be worthwhile. But I couldn't find that either.
The 2003 reference:
"Kegan, R. im Interview mit E. Debold: Erkenntnistheorie, das Bewusstsein der vierten Ordnung und die Subjekt-Objekt-Beziehung. In: What is Enlightenment Magazine, o. Jg. 2003, Ausgabe 8. http://www.wie.org/DE/j8/kegan.asp (Zugriff: 21.12.2003)."
http://www.tqse.uni-bremen.de/literatur.html
Same magazine, same interview; it was translated from English to German for the German-language issue, thus published at a later date. Can't find the source, but this could be a simple mistranslation.
- Au contraire, I'd think. The only reference I could find was an interview in English one year prior:
Debold, E. “Epistemology, Fourth Order Consciousness & the Subject-Object Relationship or…… How the self evolves with Robert Kegan.” An interview with Robert Kegan. What is Enlightenment?, no. 22 (Fall–Winter 2002): 143-154.
http://elizabethdebold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/interi...
Here's an excerpt on page 11:
http://sietarusa.org/resources/Documents/2009con_stuart_Shak...
I don't think he's doing yearly interviews with the same person and no-one else has it as 2003. Something may have gone horribly wrong here.