Oct 16, 2022 19:41
1 yr ago
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English term

may otherwise have been

Non-PRO English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Automotive / Cars & Truck
Context:

"While new cars sold do decrease when vehicle ownership restrictions are imposed, the new cars that are sold appear to be less fuel efficient than they may otherwise have been."

The word otherwise here seems a bit tricky. I need to understand what the author meant here, and I need to know what native speakers think about this sentence meaning.

Than they may otherwise have been sold? or have been what? What's missing here?

Thanks a lot!
Change log

Oct 16, 2022 22:11: writeaway changed "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "Automotive / Cars & Truck"

Oct 18, 2022 12:30: AllegroTrans changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Daryo, Anastasia Kalantzi, AllegroTrans

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Discussion

AllegroTrans Oct 18, 2022:
At the end of the day... Jennifer's paraphrasing in her answer (supported by 7 "agrees") explains this adequately. I cannot see anything else to debate.
Phil, you may diasagree with the way the writer expresses him/herself, but that isn't Samir's problem.
bonafide1313 Oct 18, 2022:
Thank you, Jennifer :)
Jennifer Levey Oct 18, 2022:
@Phil & @bonafide1313 @Phil

1. The text doesn't say 'cars decrease' - it says 'cars sold decrease', and 'cars sold' is a valid (albeit stylistically clumsy) way of referring to 'cars sales'.
2. 'appear to be' denotes speculation or conjecture on the part of the author, not a simple affirmation.
3. Again, 'may' denotes conjecture, 'would' denotes certainty.

You say the text is 'badly written'. I say that two of the three changes you suggest would significantly alter the meaning of the text.

Which is 'badest'? - poor style used when the author expresses his conclusions drawn from the body of evidence at his disposal, while at the same time making judicious use of expressions such as 'may be' or appears to be' to clarify the degree of (un)certainty in his findings, or the distortion of that perception by a third-party 'language cop' who has only seen a small part of the author's text and none of the supporting evidence?

@bonafide1313

You're right - there is nothing in the short extract from the ST posted here by Asker that allows us to conclude that the cars in question are less fuel-efficient.
bonafide1313 Oct 18, 2022:
The question was about the meaning of „otherwise“ in this particular sentence, and it seems there are no doubts about it: if the restrictions were not in place. In my opinion it is beyond the translator's task in this particular piece to speculate about the reasons, it is the authors who are researching the matter, not the translator. Specifically, how can we say that the cars in question ARE less fuel efficient? I am a non-native speaker and I can't see any elements for such a conclusion in this passage, therefore I am asking.
philgoddard Oct 18, 2022:
Three reasons why this is badly written 1. Cars don't decrease. Car sales do.
2. They don't "appear to be" less fuel efficient, they ARE less fuel efficient
3. "Than they MAY otherwise have been" is difficult to understand. Why the uncertainty of MAY and not the certainty of WOULD?
Jennifer Levey Oct 17, 2022:
@ All Me neither. Although I can see why Asker found it 'a bit tricky'.
AllegroTrans Oct 17, 2022:
@ all I see nothing "badly written" here either
Daryo Oct 17, 2022:
Whether this might be "badly written" or not seems to be a question of personal preferences.

What is for sure is that the intended meaning is crystal clear - as it is formulated, without any need for any "improvements" nor "additional context".

Christopher Schröder Oct 17, 2022:
Tony Is too :-)
Tony M Oct 16, 2022:
@ Phil It's not "badly written"!
philgoddard Oct 16, 2022:
This is badly written I think it might mean "than they really are", but I'm not sure. Could we have the full context, please.

Responses

+7
1 hr
Selected

paraphrasing...

"While new cars sold do decrease when vehicle ownership restrictions are imposed, the new cars that are sold appear to be less fuel efficient than they may otherwise have been."

paraphrasing in plain(er) English -->

The number of new cars sold decreases when vehicle ownership restrictions are imposed. However, the cars that are sold when those restrictions are in force appear to be less fuel-efficient than those that are sold when restrictions are not in force.

IOW, the restrictions reduce the number of cars sold, but those cars are less efficient, so the benefit of the restrictions is lessened (in terms of overall fuel consumption, air pollution, etc.).
Note from asker:
Thanks a lot. That's really helpful
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway
1 hr
Thanks.
agree Rachel Fell
1 hr
Thanks.
agree Tony M : It could, of course, be not that the cars themselves are less fuel efficient, but rather, that for some reason, people choose less fuel-efficient cars.
2 hrs
Yes, it could - and your 2nd interpretation seems more likely. But we can't be sure with the minimal extract we have from the ST.
agree Yasutomo Kanazawa
8 hrs
agree Tantie Kustiantie
9 hrs
agree AllegroTrans
21 hrs
agree Anastasia Kalantzi
22 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+1
40 mins

may have been if there were no restrictions

... , the new cars that are sold appear to be less fuel efficient than they may have been if there were no restrictions.

Otherwise:
Under other circumstances
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/otherwise

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Note added at 1 hr (2022-10-16 20:45:56 GMT)
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For example:
A person would buy a car and a truck if there were no ownership restrictions. Suppose the ownership restrictions are to limit the number of vehicles that one can buy to 1, that person would buy the truck (to go to work and to haul things). The number of vehicles sold to that person drops from 2 to 1, but the fuel efficiency of a truck is less than the average fuel efficiency of a car and a truck.
Note from asker:
Thanks a lot!
Peer comment(s):

agree bonafide1313
12 mins
Thank you!
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