Jun 7, 2012 11:16
12 yrs ago
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down is too hard

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The quotation is from S. Greenblatt's "The Swerve":

'In one of his memorable satirical grotesques, Shakespeare’s contemporary Ben Jonson
perfectly depicted the spirit in which Epicurus’ philosophy was for long centuries widely understood. “I’ll have all my beds blown up, not stuffed,” Jonson’s character declares. “Down is too hard.”

(Greenblatt goes forth with Jonson's satire...)
My meat shall all come in in Indian shells,
Dishes of agate, set in gold, and studded,
With emeralds, sapphires, hyacinths, and rubies. . . .
My foot-boy shall eat pheasants, calvered salmons,
Knots, godwits, lampreys. I myself will have
The beards of barbels served instead of salads;
Oiled mushrooms; and the swelling unctuous paps
Of a fat pregnant sow, newly cut off,
Drest with an exquisite and poignant sauce;
For which, I’ll say unto my cook, “There’s gold,
Go forth and be a knight.”

The name Jonson gave to this mad pleasure seeker is Sir Epicure
Mammon...'

I'm not sure what I should make of "down is too hard." Is it that beds which are not blown up (apparently, these are stuffed ones) are down on the ground (which seems quite possible, thinking of Jonson's days at least, 16th or 17th century) and hence, hard?
Responses
4 +7 down = feathers

Discussion

katsy Jun 7, 2012:
@airmailplr agree! Getting the right level of inflation to avoid the 'bounce factor' is quite a feat!
airmailrpl Jun 7, 2012:
“Down is too hard.” obviously the character never experimented with modern day air matresses - which made down seem extremely soft

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down = feathers

down is the small fluffy feathers that are used to stuff eiderdowns, duvets etc. They come from geese for example (or ducks )
So this just confirms what the character said previously.

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Note added at 7 mins (2012-06-07 11:23:34 GMT)
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The character wants beds 'stuffed' with air (blown up) rather than ones which are stuffed with feathers (down)
Peer comment(s):

agree Charles Davis : You're all too quick for me today!
0 min
thanks Charles :-) puff, puff.... this will probably be my only exploit of the day!
agree airmailrpl : -
4 mins
thanks airmailrpl :-)
agree Jack Doughty : Your answer was not visible when I posted mine.
13 mins
thanks Jack :-) even when you refresh, (I speak from experience) possible earlier answers don't always come up!
agree B D Finch : Only the richest people would have had down beds, most matresses would have been stuffed with straw or horse-hair, and down (not feathers) is as soft as is imaginable. I think there is also a play on words: blown up and down.
31 mins
thanks BD :-) You are right to point out that down is not any old feather - just the little tiny ones with no 'hard bits'; and I hadn't noticed the 'up' and 'down'... I agree with your idea!
agree Sarah Bessioud
41 mins
thanks Jeux de Mots :-)
agree Armorel Young
2 hrs
thanks Armorel :-)
agree jccantrell
3 hrs
thanks jc :-)
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