Mar 17, 2017 08:13
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English term
United Kingdom
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Removal centre
English to Serbian
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Illegal immigration
Every year, tens of thousands of would-be immigrants to the UK are taken to detention centres while the authorities seek to deport them. What happens to them once they get there and become isolated from the outside world?
Edwin Sandy is watching a football match between fellow inmates at Dover immigration removal centre in Kent, as he tells the BBC what life in detention is like.
Edwin Sandy is watching a football match between fellow inmates at Dover immigration removal centre in Kent, as he tells the BBC what life in detention is like.
Proposed translations
(Serbian)
| 4 | Центар за притвор имиграната пред протеривањем |
Daryo
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| 3 +1 | притворска јединица |
Erzsébet Czopyk
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| 4 -1 | Zavod za smeštaj osoba koje ne ostvaruju pravo na boravak u zemlji |
Vuka Mijuskovic
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Proposed translations
59 mins
English term (edited):
immigration removal centre
Selected
Центар за притвор имиграната пред протеривањем
that would the whole name of this institution - you have to include the "removal" part.
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that would be ...
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a shorter version, as suggested by Natasa Ikodinovic:
Центар за депортацију
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that would be ...
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a shorter version, as suggested by Natasa Ikodinovic:
Центар за депортацију
Peer comment(s):
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Vuka Mijuskovic
: Srpski pravni sistem ne prepoznaje diskriminaciju po socio-ekonomskom statusu. U istim pritvorskim jedinicama su smešteni imigranti i turisti koji nisu ostvarili pravo na boravak u Srbiji (bez obzira na prirodu neregularnosti)
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Have you noticed that this ST is about UK? The system in Serbia is relevant to Serbia only // "Srpski pravni sistem ne prepoznaje diskriminaciju po socio-ekonomskom statusu" may or may not be true, but is totally and utterly irrelevant here!
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Natasa Ikodinovic
: Da, u ovim centrima u UK su smešteni samo imigranti. Vidim da se ponegde koristi i deportacija za removal - Centri za deportaciju, ali proterivanje mi se čini bolje. I uglavnom se koristi "centar" za taj tip institucije i u srpskom, nisam čula za zavod.
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Ту уживају [наметнуто] "гостопримство Њеног Краљевског Величанства" (сленг за бајбок, ћузу, бувару ...) кандидати за избацивање из земље // "центар" јесте својеврсна реч-сваштара, али овде сасвим одговара. Хвала!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Hvala"
+1
17 mins
Erzsébet Czopyk
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притворска јединица
https://www.gov.uk/immigration-removal-centre/overview
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarl's_Wood_Immigration_Remova...
a detention centre for foreign nationals prior to their deportation from the United Kingdom, one of 13 such centres currently in the UK
Preventing Torture: An Operational Guide for National Human Rights ...
http://apt.ch/content/files_res/PreventingTortureNHRI_Serbia...
притвору (лево) и службеници притворског центра (при дну) са Азијско-пацифичког форума / Мајкл ..... пре него што дође до мучења и мере у циљу спречавања таквог поступања), ... 1);. Центар за људска права, Универзитет у Есексу; 2009.година ...... од стране (њених) држављана или страних држављана.
Мониторинг притворских јединица
успостављање система редовних посета независних међународних и домаћих тела
притворским јединицама.// system of regular visits of detention facilities by independent international and national bodies.
Please go across the file and you find a lot of useful expressions
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detention facility, detention centre, immigration removal centre - all the same
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Dover Immigration Removal Centre (formerly known as Dover Prison) was an immigration detention centre, located in the historic citadel of the Western Heights fortifications in Dover, England. The centre was operated by Her Majesty's Prison Service, and formally closed in November 2015. Dover has been designated as an historic site by English Heritage.
Therefore it is not on the list here: https://www.gov.uk/immigration-removal-centre/overview
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27332370 I see this is dated 12 May 2014 please post the link next time as context
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In fact, when these poor people are catched, they are taken in/to the building of the police then they are translfarred to detention centers.
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transferred, sorry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarl's_Wood_Immigration_Remova...
a detention centre for foreign nationals prior to their deportation from the United Kingdom, one of 13 such centres currently in the UK
Preventing Torture: An Operational Guide for National Human Rights ...
http://apt.ch/content/files_res/PreventingTortureNHRI_Serbia...
притвору (лево) и службеници притворског центра (при дну) са Азијско-пацифичког форума / Мајкл ..... пре него што дође до мучења и мере у циљу спречавања таквог поступања), ... 1);. Центар за људска права, Универзитет у Есексу; 2009.година ...... од стране (њених) држављана или страних држављана.
Мониторинг притворских јединица
успостављање система редовних посета независних међународних и домаћих тела
притворским јединицама.// system of regular visits of detention facilities by independent international and national bodies.
Please go across the file and you find a lot of useful expressions
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detention facility, detention centre, immigration removal centre - all the same
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Dover Immigration Removal Centre (formerly known as Dover Prison) was an immigration detention centre, located in the historic citadel of the Western Heights fortifications in Dover, England. The centre was operated by Her Majesty's Prison Service, and formally closed in November 2015. Dover has been designated as an historic site by English Heritage.
Therefore it is not on the list here: https://www.gov.uk/immigration-removal-centre/overview
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Note added at 22 mins (2017-03-17 08:35:39 GMT)
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27332370 I see this is dated 12 May 2014 please post the link next time as context
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In fact, when these poor people are catched, they are taken in/to the building of the police then they are translfarred to detention centers.
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transferred, sorry
Note from asker:
| Previše je to općenito |
Peer comment(s):
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Vuka Mijuskovic
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Много вам хвала, Vuka!
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Daryo
: correct but not precise enough - that would also apply to ordinary prisons or cells in police stations holding prisoners on remand (common criminals, not illegal immigrants).
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Thank you for your remark.
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Vuka Mijuskovic
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Related KudoZ points
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Zavod za smeštaj osoba koje ne ostvaruju pravo na boravak u zemlji
Words UNIT and CENTER are "amigos falsos" in this field.
Detentional unit refers to a single cell within detentional facility, and "pritvorska jedinica" is a part of the system which is designed for the purpose of detaining people; other units have other purposes and pritvorska jedinica can be very complex and very central.
Centres are distinguished by a purpose vector as "distributivni centar" and "sabirni centar". Those that primarily collect are called ZAVODI and those that primarily distribute are called centers. So Zavod za nauku collects relevant science and centar za nauku distributes means of promoting science.Etc.
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Nevertheless, if the translation has to include the "centar" word, then it's Prihvatni Centar
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For this logic, correctional facility is kazneno-popravni zavod (KPZ) and social services agency is centar za socijalni rad.
Given that this is a BBC (popular) and not scientific text, I still stand behind Ms Czopyk's answer as optimal. Moreover, you have to be very careful with using the term "ilegalni imigranti" because in Serbian it can be as politically incorrect as using "gipsy" for Roma population.
Detentional unit refers to a single cell within detentional facility, and "pritvorska jedinica" is a part of the system which is designed for the purpose of detaining people; other units have other purposes and pritvorska jedinica can be very complex and very central.
Centres are distinguished by a purpose vector as "distributivni centar" and "sabirni centar". Those that primarily collect are called ZAVODI and those that primarily distribute are called centers. So Zavod za nauku collects relevant science and centar za nauku distributes means of promoting science.Etc.
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Nevertheless, if the translation has to include the "centar" word, then it's Prihvatni Centar
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Note added at 1 day56 mins (2017-03-18 09:09:10 GMT)
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For this logic, correctional facility is kazneno-popravni zavod (KPZ) and social services agency is centar za socijalni rad.
Given that this is a BBC (popular) and not scientific text, I still stand behind Ms Czopyk's answer as optimal. Moreover, you have to be very careful with using the term "ilegalni imigranti" because in Serbian it can be as politically incorrect as using "gipsy" for Roma population.
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: Although not wrong, this translation would sound really odd - OTOH your explanation is totally off-tangent, especially the supposed etymology of "zavod" - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/завод#Noun_3
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Optimal answer in this case is pritvorska jedinica. Live with it.
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