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Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

Gezeien voor de legalisatie van de handtekening van

English translation:

Seen for the certification of the signature by

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Aug 4, 2020 14:05
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Dutch term

Gezeien voor de legalisatie van de handtekening van

Dutch to English Law/Patents Law (general)
I take this phrase to be "Intended for authenticating/legalising the signature of X"... I found some confusing entries about it on here, with a translator confirming it's meaning but saying the translation was poor, so I wanted to clarify whether this was an acceptable translation of the phrase.

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 Seen for the certification of the signature by
3 +1 The above signature was authenticated
4 I have authenticated the signature of
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Proposed translations

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Seen for the certification of the signature by

This seems to be referring to the process of having a signature certified by a notary/soliciter. It can be generally described as 'certification' or as 'notarisation' if it involves a notary specifically.


https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/wonen-werken/legalisatie-... (for reference to 'seen for')
Reference:

https://verklaringvanerfrecht.nl/kennisbank/wat_is_legalisatie_en_hoe_regel_ik_de_legalisatie_van_de_handtekening

https://www.mcgillandco.co.uk/blog/certification-notarisation-and-legalisation-apostilisation-of-documents.html

Peer comment(s):
agree Erik Dupont : In Belgium, "legalisatie" also means a certification by the court of the sworn translator's signature, so not always by a notary.
30 mins
That's good to know, thank you
neutral philgoddard : I think this is too literal, and "by" is wrong - "van" means "of".
1 hr
I kept 'gezien' literal to indicate that it is not 'intended' as the asker suggested. I think we might still need 'by' to indicate who has carried out the verification, so perhaps '...signature of X by [notary/official]'
agree Adrian MM. : It could also literally be a consular legalis/zation or a notarial apostillisation in lieu > 'apostille legalisation' eng.proz.com/kudoz/dutch-to-english/business-commerce-general/1033199-gezien-voor-legalisatie-van-de-handtekening-van-dhr-mw.html
1 day 8 hrs
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Dutch term (edited): Gezien voor de legalisatie van de handtekening

The above signature was authenticated

The full notarial phrase would normally be something like:

Gezien voor legalisatie van bovenstaande handtekening door mij, mr. XX, notaris te YY
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The above signature was authenticated by me, Mr XX, civil-law notary practising in YY
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : But what about the second "van"? Also, UK English would say "has been", not "was".
1 hr
Hi Phil, thanks for flagging. 'Handtekening of' = 'signature of' (followed by a name) but I'd need to see the actual text to work out if past tense is really wrong here, especially if the phrase is followed by 'heden' at some point.
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : As in your explanation, it is usually signed BY a civil-law notary, so it is unclear why it is VAN in this case.
6 hrs
I think 'handtekening van' is followed by the name of the person whose signature is being authenticated and the civil-law notary (or official) by whom the signature is being authenticated is mentioned later. Here's an example: https://tinyurl.com/y2p4qhnf
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1 hr
Dutch term (edited): Gezien voor de legalisatie van de handtekening van

I have authenticated the signature of

In legal documents, as everywhere else, it's almost always better to use an active rather than a passive construction.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Kitty Brussaard : I can see your point but the proposed translation doesn't work if asker's text is similar to this one: https://www.meandermc.nl/wcm/connect/www/90695fea-04e3-4ef3-...
46 mins
It works perfectly! You'd obviously have to leave out "door mij".
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