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Danish term
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Works in: Danish to English, English to Danish
Søforklaring
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Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Søforklaring (i denne kontekst!)
Søforklaring kan jo både betyde en 'captain's protest' men bruges i daglig tale mere eller mindre som 'bortforklaring'. Det tricky her er, at det lyder som om, der menes 'bortforklaring' men ordet forekommer i en kort email, der (pga. modtager, subject og navn på fartøj) viser, at det har med søfart at gøre:
"Enig - juridisk rådgivning på dette er ikke let, da det jo til syvende og sidst er noget af en søforklaring for at sige det mildt, men som xxx har nævnt, er det vigtigt, at historien ikke afviger for meget".
Hvad mener andre oversættere herom??
Tak!
Pernille
"Enig - juridisk rådgivning på dette er ikke let, da det jo til syvende og sidst er noget af en søforklaring for at sige det mildt, men som xxx har nævnt, er det vigtigt, at historien ikke afviger for meget".
Hvad mener andre oversættere herom??
Tak!
Pernille
Proposed translations
(English)
| 1 | admiralty or maritime case federal district or state court hearing (U.S. legal context) |
Andres Larsen
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References
| søforklaring |
Andres Larsen
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Proposed translations
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admiralty or maritime case federal district or state court hearing (U.S. legal context)
admiralty or maritime case federal district or state court hearing (admiralty and maritime claims / admiralty and maritime law)
kilder:
United States admiralty law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/.../United_States_admiralty_law
A state court hearing an admiralty or maritime case is required to apply the ... ability of a shipowner to limit its liability to the value of a ship after a major accident.
Admiralty law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law
Admiralty law (also referred to as maritime law) is a distinct body of law which ... However, because admiralty courts did not (as is true today) grant trial by jury, ... Consequently, passengers who are injured aboard ships may bring suit as if .... and recreational boating accidents may be brought in either federal or state court.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-06-28 19:42:06 GMT)
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this ties in better with "søforklaring" instead of "Captain's Report" as defined DA<>EN in my accompanying reference comments with explanatory links
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-06-28 20:29:06 GMT)
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additional translations into English for the Danish term "søforklaring":
maritim ordbog S-ord syvende del
www.jmarcussen.dk/maritim/lex/s07ord.html
15. apr 2012 – Generelt samme typer hændelser som nævnt under dansk retsforhold gælder for engelsk. Her tales om følgende to begreber:
"Inquiries and investigations now regulated by the Merchant Shipping Act 1970 are:
Inquiry into the fitness or conduct of an officer...
Preliminary inquiry into a shipping casualty.
Formal investigation into a shipping casualty...
A preliminary inquiry is for the departmental purposes and the results thereof are not made public..."
[BAL p.44]
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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-06-28 23:55:47 GMT)
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in Australia, Fiji and Tonga this is termed a "marine inquiry" undertaken by Courts or Boards of Marine Inquiry":
Court of Marine Inquiry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Marine_Inquiry
***Courts of Marine Inquiry and Boards of Marine Inquiry*** are tribunals established in common law countries to investigate matters relating to shipwrecks, casualties affecting ships, or into charges of incompetency or misconduct on the part of the masters, mates or engineers of ships.
***Marine Inquiry (Maritime Law Virtual Database)www.paclii.org/maritime-law/marine/index.html
International Code and Conventions. Code for the Investigation of Marine Casualties and Incidents*** · UNCLOS art. 9, para. 7 (PacLII). SOLAS REG 1/21 ( AustLII) ...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-06-28 23:57:11 GMT)
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just forgot an apostrophe:
in Australia, Fiji and Tonga this is termed a "marine inquiry" undertaken by "Courts or Boards of Marine Inquiry":
kilder:
United States admiralty law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/.../United_States_admiralty_law
A state court hearing an admiralty or maritime case is required to apply the ... ability of a shipowner to limit its liability to the value of a ship after a major accident.
Admiralty law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law
Admiralty law (also referred to as maritime law) is a distinct body of law which ... However, because admiralty courts did not (as is true today) grant trial by jury, ... Consequently, passengers who are injured aboard ships may bring suit as if .... and recreational boating accidents may be brought in either federal or state court.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-06-28 19:42:06 GMT)
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this ties in better with "søforklaring" instead of "Captain's Report" as defined DA<>EN in my accompanying reference comments with explanatory links
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-06-28 20:29:06 GMT)
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additional translations into English for the Danish term "søforklaring":
maritim ordbog S-ord syvende del
www.jmarcussen.dk/maritim/lex/s07ord.html
15. apr 2012 – Generelt samme typer hændelser som nævnt under dansk retsforhold gælder for engelsk. Her tales om følgende to begreber:
"Inquiries and investigations now regulated by the Merchant Shipping Act 1970 are:
Inquiry into the fitness or conduct of an officer...
Preliminary inquiry into a shipping casualty.
Formal investigation into a shipping casualty...
A preliminary inquiry is for the departmental purposes and the results thereof are not made public..."
[BAL p.44]
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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-06-28 23:55:47 GMT)
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in Australia, Fiji and Tonga this is termed a "marine inquiry" undertaken by Courts or Boards of Marine Inquiry":
Court of Marine Inquiry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Marine_Inquiry
***Courts of Marine Inquiry and Boards of Marine Inquiry*** are tribunals established in common law countries to investigate matters relating to shipwrecks, casualties affecting ships, or into charges of incompetency or misconduct on the part of the masters, mates or engineers of ships.
***Marine Inquiry (Maritime Law Virtual Database)www.paclii.org/maritime-law/marine/index.html
International Code and Conventions. Code for the Investigation of Marine Casualties and Incidents*** · UNCLOS art. 9, para. 7 (PacLII). SOLAS REG 1/21 ( AustLII) ...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-06-28 23:57:11 GMT)
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just forgot an apostrophe:
in Australia, Fiji and Tonga this is termed a "marine inquiry" undertaken by "Courts or Boards of Marine Inquiry":
Reference comments
3 hrs
Andres Larsen
Venezuela
Venezuela
Native in English
Venezuela
freelance translator
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, German to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
11
Reference:
søforklaring
søforklaring | Gyldendal - Den Store Danske
www.denstoredanske.dk/...og.../søforklaring
2. feb 2009 – søforklaring, afhøring for en domstol af besætningsmedlemmer og andre vidner med det formål at klarlægge hændelsesforløb og mulige årsager ved ulykker opstået i forbindelse med skibes drift. Reglerne om søforklaring findes i Søloven og har både et offentligretligt og et privatretligt formål: En søforklaring giver søfartsmyndighederne materiale til bedømmelse af skibets sødygtighed og sikkerheden til søs, og myndighederne får herigennem informationer om forhold, der kan tænkes at medføre strafansvar eller andet ansvar for rederen, skibsføreren, besætningen eller andre. Samtidig får private parter, fx lastejere, andre skibes redere og skibets assurandører, gennem søforklaringen oplysninger, som kan være af betydning ved vurderingen af, om erstatningskrav skal fremmes, eller forsikringserstatning nægtes udbetalt.
... Gyldendal 2009-2012 - Powered by MindTouch Deki.
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Captain's protest:
Law -
books.google.com/books?isbn=818909341X...
Mike Johnson - 2005 - 184 pages
Captain's protest: A written sworn statement of the master of a vessel to the effect that damage suffered by the ship during the voyage was caused by storm or other peril of the sea, without any negligence or misconduct on his own part.
Glossary of Trade Finance Terms - C
tefo.com/trade-finance-glossary/c.html
Captain's protest: A written sworn statement of the master of a vessel to the effect that damage suffered by the ship during the voyage was caused by storm or other peril of the sea, without any negligence or misconduct on his own part.
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søforklaring
www.soefartsstyrelsen.dk/.../SOEFORKLARING.... -
PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick view
2. 3. Sigtet med afholdelse af søforklaring.
Formålet med søforklaring er snarest muligt at tilvejebringe oplysninger om de faktiske omstændigheder ved ulykke, dødsfald eller personskade, herunder oplysninger om forhold, som er af betydning for bedømmelsen af offentlige forhold eller civile ansvarsforhold, af skibets sødygtighed eller for sikkerheden til søs.
Afholdelse af søforklaring skal ses i sammenhæng med de undersøgelser, der udføres af Søfartsstyrelsens Opklaringsenhed. Undersøgelserne sigter ikke mod at tage stilling til de strafferetlige eller erstatningsretlige aspekter ved ulykkerne, og svarer på dette punkt til søforklaringsinstituttet. Opklaringsenhedens afhøringer sker dog ikke som en søforklaring under straffeansvar og under medvirken af parterne.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-06-28 20:25:00 GMT)
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maritim ordbog S-ord syvende del
www.jmarcussen.dk/maritim/lex/s07ord.html
15. apr 2012 – Ofte skelnes der i tekster ikke mellem søforhør og søforklaring. ... Under denne hører også optagelse af søforklaring, søforhør, vidneforklaringer til brug under sager, der behandles ved søret..."
www.denstoredanske.dk/...og.../søforklaring
2. feb 2009 – søforklaring, afhøring for en domstol af besætningsmedlemmer og andre vidner med det formål at klarlægge hændelsesforløb og mulige årsager ved ulykker opstået i forbindelse med skibes drift. Reglerne om søforklaring findes i Søloven og har både et offentligretligt og et privatretligt formål: En søforklaring giver søfartsmyndighederne materiale til bedømmelse af skibets sødygtighed og sikkerheden til søs, og myndighederne får herigennem informationer om forhold, der kan tænkes at medføre strafansvar eller andet ansvar for rederen, skibsføreren, besætningen eller andre. Samtidig får private parter, fx lastejere, andre skibes redere og skibets assurandører, gennem søforklaringen oplysninger, som kan være af betydning ved vurderingen af, om erstatningskrav skal fremmes, eller forsikringserstatning nægtes udbetalt.
... Gyldendal 2009-2012 - Powered by MindTouch Deki.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-06-28 19:18:22 GMT)
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Captain's protest:
Law -
books.google.com/books?isbn=818909341X...
Mike Johnson - 2005 - 184 pages
Captain's protest: A written sworn statement of the master of a vessel to the effect that damage suffered by the ship during the voyage was caused by storm or other peril of the sea, without any negligence or misconduct on his own part.
Glossary of Trade Finance Terms - C
tefo.com/trade-finance-glossary/c.html
Captain's protest: A written sworn statement of the master of a vessel to the effect that damage suffered by the ship during the voyage was caused by storm or other peril of the sea, without any negligence or misconduct on his own part.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-06-28 20:19:19 GMT)
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søforklaring
www.soefartsstyrelsen.dk/.../SOEFORKLARING.... -
PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick view
2. 3. Sigtet med afholdelse af søforklaring.
Formålet med søforklaring er snarest muligt at tilvejebringe oplysninger om de faktiske omstændigheder ved ulykke, dødsfald eller personskade, herunder oplysninger om forhold, som er af betydning for bedømmelsen af offentlige forhold eller civile ansvarsforhold, af skibets sødygtighed eller for sikkerheden til søs.
Afholdelse af søforklaring skal ses i sammenhæng med de undersøgelser, der udføres af Søfartsstyrelsens Opklaringsenhed. Undersøgelserne sigter ikke mod at tage stilling til de strafferetlige eller erstatningsretlige aspekter ved ulykkerne, og svarer på dette punkt til søforklaringsinstituttet. Opklaringsenhedens afhøringer sker dog ikke som en søforklaring under straffeansvar og under medvirken af parterne.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-06-28 20:25:00 GMT)
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maritim ordbog S-ord syvende del
www.jmarcussen.dk/maritim/lex/s07ord.html
15. apr 2012 – Ofte skelnes der i tekster ikke mellem søforhør og søforklaring. ... Under denne hører også optagelse af søforklaring, søforhør, vidneforklaringer til brug under sager, der behandles ved søret..."
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