Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

médico forense

English translation:

coroner

Added to glossary by Timothy Barton
Sep 20, 2004 22:25
19 yrs ago
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Spanish term

médico forense

Spanish to English Medical Law (general)
My instinct was to go for "Forensic scientist", but I decided to check it, and every source I've found has given me a different option (forensic scientist, forensic, coroner, forensic surgeon, expert in forensic medicine, medical expert...). Coroner would be logical as the context is "career options" for graduates of a degree in Criminology, but is it correct?

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coroner

Careers in Criminology, Major
... Careers in Criminology. ... some, but certainly not all, of the careers you might ... Contracts
Administrator *FBI Agent *Police Officer/Manager *Coroner *Fish & Game ...
www.cla.auburn.edu/clastudents/ majorsandminors/careers/criminology.htm -

Forensics
Florida State University School of Criminology & Criminal Justice Criminal Justice
Links. ... LA County Coroner's Office Gift Shop. Virtual Autopsy. ...
www.criminology.fsu.edu/cjlinks/forensics.html

Suicide : the coroner as catalyst [Conference Paper] -... Australian Institute of Criminology, 1992 (AIC Conference Proceedings; no. 13).
Download paper (PDF 28kB). Abstract. In the coroner's investigation, the coroner ...
www.aic.gov.au/publications/ proceedings/13/hallenstein.html

Coroners' inquests into deaths in custody [in: RPP no. 10]
Excerpts from all of the 1994 and 1995 cases for which the Australian Institute
of Criminology received Coroner's Findings are presented. ...
www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/10/coroner.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Amilcar
2 hrs
Gracias, Amilcar
neutral Elena Sgarbo (X) : Hola Margarita. El "coroner" no es médico
13 hrs
Si, lo elegí por lo de carreras para los diplomados en criminología...
neutral Scott Horne (X) : ditto
17 hrs
agree MartaM
1 day 13 hrs
Gracias, Marta
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks again. Your references are always useful. If anyone's wondering why I'm selecting her answer rather than the other, she was only 1 min. later, so I'm 99% certain she didn't see the other answer and it takes a good minute to find and copy and paste the references. I decided her answer was right after consulting the following: http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=coroner&action=Search+OMD It seems to fit in with the context (career options for graduates in Criminology, not for people with intensive training in medicine or science). "Medical examiner" seems to be the US usage."
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Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

forensic scientist

Re: Kudoz
Peer comment(s):

agree Marcel Ventosa : debido al contexto, me inclino por esto, parece más lógico
44 mins
Gracias Marcel..............xen
agree sonja29 (X)
2 hrs
Muy amable sonja29.............xen
neutral Amilcar : Médico performs autopsies, etc, "scientist" analyses carpet fibers, etc.
2 hrs
neutral Scott Horne (X) : ditto
17 hrs
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Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

coroner

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Peer comment(s):

agree Rantes
4 mins
Gracias.
agree Luis Medina : Así aparece en el dicionario de Tom West
11 mins
Gracias, Luis.
agree Maria Carla Di Giacinti
1 hr
agree sonja29 (X)
2 hrs
neutral Amilcar : Sorry but I realized that coroners need not be physicians, though they very often are.
2 hrs
agree colemh
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agree Henry Hinds
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neutral Elena Sgarbo (X) : Hola Rene. El "coroner" no es médico
13 hrs
neutral Scott Horne (X) : as above
17 hrs
disagree tecpluscr : El cargo de coroner es de elección popular, es decir, político. En cambio, un médico forense se ha graduado como médico y ha hecho internado en patología: n contrast, a medical examiner is typically a physician who holds the degree of Doctor of Medicine o
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Doctor of Forensics

coroner is a title of the occupation.

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doctor with a specialty in forensics

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MD; Forensics
Peer comment(s):

disagree Scott Horne (X) : not idiomatic
17 hrs
tu sabes como dicen los franceses"se la viste?"
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51 mins

pathologist / forensic surgeon

My best opinion (and "Collins'").
Peer comment(s):

neutral Scott Horne (X) : maybe "forensic surgeon"
16 hrs
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Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

forensic medical expert

Forensic Healthcare services
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Medical Experts witnesess, Medical Malpractice experts, Personal Injury Expert Witnesses
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Bursztajn, Harold J, MD
faculty member at Harvard Medical School consults, teaches, and testifies nationwide. Offers articles on medical and psychiatric malpractice, informed consent, and more.
Category: Massachusetts > Cambridge > B2B Law > Consulting
www.forensic-psych.com/ - More pages from this site
Peer comment(s):

neutral Scott Horne (X) : too bulky
15 hrs
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2 hrs
Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

forensic pathologist

Hola Timothy

El médico forense es aquí en USA (y en UK también) el "forensic pathologist". Este título se confunde a menudo con el de "coroner", que es un título no médico sino policial.

Suerte

Elena


What is a forensic pathologist?

The forensic pathologist is a subspecialist in pathology whose area
of special competence is the examination of persons who die
sudden, unexpected or violent death. The forensic pathologist is an expert in determining cause and manner of death. The **forensic pathologist** is specially trained: to perform autopsies to determine the presence or absence of disease, injury or poisoning; to evaluate historical and law-enforcement investigative information relating to manner of death; to collect medical evidence, such as trace evidence and secretions, to document sexual assault; and to reconstruct how a person received injuries....

http://www.thename.org/medical_detective.htm#what is me
Peer comment(s):

agree José Luis Villanueva-Senchuk (X) : Way to go Dra.! Saludos y la trato de usted después de su artículo en la ATA. JL
42 mins
¡Muchas gracias, Sr. V.S! ;-) (Y gracias x el Foro!)
agree Clara Nino
1 hr
Gracias, Clisaz
agree Lisa Russell
4 hrs
Gracias, Lisa
agree Sheilann
6 hrs
Gracias, Sheilann
agree Scott Horne (X)
15 hrs
Thanks, Scott
agree margaret caulfield : Even if it's too late.
22 hrs
Gracias, Margaret. It´s not too late for future users who take the time to evaluate all reponses and references :-)
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Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

medical examiner

Another option besides coroner

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Upon reflection ... coroner is not a good choice, since a coroner may not be a physician, and his role may be more administrative (investigative, co-ordinating, etc.)

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By the way, this is USA usage

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Even though in practice medical examiners (more like a job title) are typically forensic pathologists (a medical specialty), the translation by E. Sgarbossa may be less controversial.

Playing devil\'s advocate, what about this? In the original country the typical situation is prob as in many others that a physician who wants to take the \"death business\" route choses that as his specialty and goes to work at the local morgue afterwards (using plainer, old fashioned language); in the USA, he may have a narrower specialty and/or technical job. Then, and given supporting context and register, medical examiner might actually be the more accurate transl, besides being more readily understood by the general public.

Anyway, I learned something here. Thanks.



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Also note the DRAE definition of médico forense, quoted by C Loren in her suggestion. I would say it applies more closely to the job (in the \"justicia\") of a medical examiner than to the broad medical field. This is the feeling I had, but could not quite put my finger on. Now, everything converges to USA ways, I guess, so the DRAE may be outdated in this, or about to become outdated. (So what else is new?)

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Another interesting (and poss relevant) question: is there a reasonably consistent diference anywhere between the usage of \"médico forense\" and that of \"médico legista\"? The medical specialty seems to always be called medicina forense.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Elena Sgarbo (X) : Hi Amilcar. I'm afraid the medical examiner does not need to be an expert on matters surronding deaths, while the "médico forense" does. // Yes; you may want to check the link provided in my answer :-)
11 hrs
Thanks. See above.
neutral Scott Horne (X) : ditto
14 hrs
Gracias
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Spanish term (edited): m�dico forense

medical expert

Así lo define eurodicautom

TERM médico forense

Reference dicc.jur.Amoros Rica


(1)


Definition medical expert commissioned by the Court

Reference Le Docte,Legal Dict.,Oyez,Brussels,1978
(1)
TERM medical expert

Reference Le Docte,Legal Dict.,Oyez,Brussels,1978

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Del DRAE

médico
~ forense.
1. m. y f. médico encargado por la justicia para dictaminar los problemas de medicina legal.

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http://noticias.juridicas.com/areas_virtual/Articulos/25-Der...

En esta página pueden encontrar la regulación legal de la medicina forense. En extracto:
.2. NATURALEZA Y DEPENDENCIA ORGÁNICA. Art. 1 ROMF
Los médicos forenses constituyen un Cuerpo Nacional de titulados superiores al servicio de la Administración de Justicia, adscrito orgánicamente al Ministerio de Justicia.

...son funcionarios de carrera que desempeñan funciones de asistencia técnica a Juzgados, Tribunales, Fiscalías y Oficinas del Registro Civil en las materias de su disciplina profesional,...

...estarán a las órdenes de los Jueces, Magistrados, Fiscales y Encargados del Registro Civil ejerciendo sus funciones con plena independencia y bajo criterios estrictamente científicos.

1.3.1. Forma de ingreso. Art. 4

La selección de médicos forenses se efectuará mediante convocatoria pública que habrá de respetar los principios de capacidad, igualdad, mérito y publicidad. ...

...la oposición se configura como el sistema general u ordinario, y el concurso-oposición como sistema excepcional.

1.3.3. Requisitos. Art. 6
...
Reunir los requisitos de titulación que determine la LOPJ (art. 499, ser licenciados en medicina).
...

1.4. FUNCIONES. Art. 3

Los médicos forenses tendrán a su cargo las siguientes funciones:

La emisión de informes y dictámenes médico-legales que les sean solicitados a través de los Institutos de Medicina Legal por los Juzgados, Tribunales, Fiscalías, Oficinas del Registro Civil y otros órganos de la Administración de Justicia.

La realización de las investigaciones en el campo de la Patología Forense y de las prácticas tanatológicas. que les sean requeridas a través de los Institutos de Medicina Legal, por los Juzgados, Tribunales y Fiscalías y que se deriven necesariamente de su propia función en el marco del proceso judicial.

El control periódico de los lesionados y la valoración de los daños corporales que sean objeto de actuaciones procesales, así como la asistencia o vigilancia facultativa de los detenidos que se encuentren a disposición judicial, y cuantas otras funciones establezca la legislación aplicable.

La asistencia técnica que les sea requerida a través de los Institutos de Medicina Legal, por Juzgados, Tribunales, Fiscalías y Oficinas del Registro Civil y demás órganos de la Administración de Justicia del ámbito territorial en el que estén destinados, en las materias de su disciplina profesional y con sujeción a lo establecido en las leyes procesales.

La emisión de informes que les sean encomendados por el Director del Departamento del Instituto de Toxicología en el que estén destinados, así como la atención a la demanda de información toxicológica.

La emisión de informes sobre la causa de la muerte en los supuestos establecidos en el artículo 85 de la Ley del Registro Civil de 8 de junio de 1957, redactado conforme a la LO 7/1992, de 20 de noviembre (art. 85 LRC: Será necesaria certificación médica de la existencia de señales inequívocas de muerte para proceder a la inscripción de defunción... el Médico Forense estará obligado a comprobar los términos de la certificación).

Cualesquiera otras funciones de colaboración e investigación, propias de su función, con el Ministerio de Justicia e Interior o, en su caso, con las CCAA que hayan recibido los traspasos de medios personales para el funcionamiento de la Administración de Justicia, así como con otros órganos de las Administraciones públicas, derivadas de convenios o acuerdos adoptados al efecto.

Las anteriores son las funciones establecidas en el Reglamento Orgánico, pero además y con sujeción a lo establecido en las leyes procesales, les corresponde la asistencia o vigilancia facultativa de los lesionados o enfermos que se hallen bajo la jurisdicción de Juzgados, Tribunales y Fiscalías, prestándoles asistencia técnica, así como a las Oficinas del Registro Civil, y debiendo abstenerse de intervenir en los casos particulares que puedan tener relación con sus funciones, y aunque pueden intervenir en el proceso civil y laboral, es en el orden penal donde su actuación es más frecuente e importante, con funciones como las siguientes:

Asistencia al lesionado. En los casos de envenenamiento, heridas u otras lesiones cualesquier... (y sigue)

Conclusión: es suficiente con ser licenciado en medicina y ha pasar una oposición. No es necesaria ninguna especialidad (en principio)

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Might it be ***Medical Expert Witness*** ???
I\'ve found lots of entries

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Fellows will have completed a minimum period of six years of clinical practice after full medical registration. Additionally they will have passed an approved and relevant external qualification or qualifications equivalent at least to a full Bachelor of Laws degree from an Australian University Law Faculty, or a Master’s degree in Legal Medicine or Health and Medical Law. Further, candidates applying for Fellowship based on a Master’s degree in Health and Medical Law or equivalent will be required to complete an ACLM Basic Law Intensive Course and Expert Witness training (as relevant ).
http://www.legalmedicine.com.au/handbook.php?pg=2
Peer comment(s):

disagree margaret caulfield : There are many types of medical experts who are not "forenses"
46 mins
that's right, but it's mostly used in legal contexts. You'll find lots of entries in google
disagree Scott Horne (X) : ditto
17 hrs
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medical examiner

Como se refiere a un médico graduado, considero que debe corresponder a medical examiner porque es un patólogo graduado en medicina.

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