Arianna Tremayne Aug 9, 2004:

Dear Ruth, Thank you very much for the links, they were most helpful!

Non-ProZ.com Aug 9, 2004:

Sorry for grading so lately. I wanted to check all references. The most useful I found were:

www.daad.or.th/StudyinGermany/RegularCourses.asp
Second degree (graduate or postgraduate studies) Master Diplom (after 4 to 5 years depending on subject) - see below

www.internationaledu.net/english/germany2.htm
The university courses take approximately 10 semesters and culminate in the "Diplom" which corresponds to a Master's degree which entitles to take up doctoral studies

www.rwth-aachen.de/zentral/english_degree_diplom.html
Diplom degrees awarded by German university-level institutions (such as the RWTH Aachen) are seen as being equivalent to a Master degree.

http://www.proz.com/translator_associations/313?country_code...


www.daad.or.th/StudyinGermany/RegularCourses.asp
In difference to the most wide spread system of tertiary education, where you first finish your Bachelor, later the Master and finally a Ph.D., in Germany the Diplom ranges supreme. It is the German equivalent to the Master-level and the requirement for entering Ph.D. studies. Only new established international degree courses follow the Bachelor - Master pattern. In comparison it looks like this:
British - American System / International Courses German System

Third degree PH.D. Doktor
Second degree (graduate or postgraduate studies) Master Diplom (after 4 to 5 years depending on subject)
Fist degree from College or University after 3 years Bachelor (after 2 to 3 years) Vordiplom (not considered an academic degree)
Higher Education Entrance Certificate

The main difference between the systems is that in the course of Diplom-studies you will focus on one subject for the whole course of studies and receive the academic degree only after having finished the whole education. The admission requirements focus on the last valid degree and its equivalents.
This difference makes it more complicated to enter into the German system. The school leaving certificates of many countries, including Thailand, are of little relevance at this stage. They are not regarded as equivalent to the certificates from Germany. In these cases you can come to Germany and take preparation classes for one year, followed by an assessment test. Class and preparation test are held in German, which requires approximately 480 hours of German language classes in advance.
When you have received your Bachelor already, there is no equivalent degree in the regular German system. A Commission of the University and Faculty compares the credits and qualifications you received during the earlier studies. Those that are equivalent to requirements of the study program at a German university will be fully recognized. In many cases, the Bachelor is taken as equivalent to the Vordiplom. Accordingly, you can enter University at that level

www.internationaledu.net/english/germany2.htm
The university courses take approximately 10 semesters and culminate in the "Diplom" which corresponds to a Master's degree which entitles to take up doctoral studies

www.rwth-aachen.de/zentral/english_degree_diplom.html
Diplom degrees awarded by German university-level institutions (such as the RWTH Aachen) are seen as being equivalent to a Master degree.


www.mm-translations.com/qualifications.htm
U N I V E R S I T I E S Universit�t Heidelberg, Institut f�r �bersetzen und Dolmetschen (I�D) 5 years Diplom-�bersetzer(in)/Diplom-Dolmetscher(in)

Equivalent to a Master's degree:
Universit�t Mainz/Germersheim (FASK) Universit�t des Saarlandes, Saarbr�cken Humboldt-Universit�t Berlin Universit�t Leipzig
Universit�t Hildesheim
4 years

Diplom-Fach�bersetzer(in) TECHNICAL COLLEGES (Fachhochschulen) Fachhochschule K�ln 4 years Diplom-�bersetzer(in) (FH)

Diplom-Dolmetscher(in) (FH) Fachhochschule Magdeburg Diplom-Fach�bersetzer(in) (FH) Fachhochschule Flensburg Technik�bersetzer(in)
(Technical translator/English only) OTHER INSTITUTIONS Sprachen- und Dolmetscher-Institut M�nchen 3 years


Also interesting: the discussion about Diplom-Arbeit
http://www.proz.com/h.php3?bs=1&id=757951

Aniello Scognamiglio (X) Aug 3, 2004:

http://www.proz.com/translator_associations/313?country_code...

Aniello Scognamiglio (X) Jul 31, 2004:

for lack of space: I totally disagree with Klaus (certificate' is just as vague as 'Diplom'). In Germany "Diplom" is as clear as the "Grotta azzurra".

Aniello Scognamiglio (X) Jul 31, 2004:

yes, "Diplom-Übersetzer" corresponds to a "master degree" (also graduate translator). Simply have a look at http://www.fask.uni-mainz.de