Apr 15 07:53
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French term
contrat de marché
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Construction / Civil Engineering
The company BBB below did some fairly ordinary building work for the AAA spouses. The AAA spouses then complained about defects and it all ended up in court. And then in appeal.
"Réponse de la cour :
Selon l'article 1315 du code civil dans sa rédaction antérieure au 1er octobre 2016, celui qui réclame l'exécution d'une obligation doit la prouver.
Réciproquement, celui qui se prétend libéré doit justifier le paiement ou le fait qui a produit l'extinction de son obligation.
L'article 1353 du même code, dans sa version antérieure au 1er octobre 2016, dispose que les présomptions qui ne sont point établies par la loi, sont abandonnées aux lumières et à la prudence du magistrat, qui ne doit admettre que des présomptions graves, précises et concordantes, et dans les cas seulement où la loi admet les preuves testimoniales, à moins que l'acte ne soit attaqué pour cause de fraude ou de dol.
En l'espèce, les parties ne contestent pas le décompte établi par les premiers juges, selon lequel M. et Mme AAA doivent à la société BBB, au titre du contrat de marché et des travaux modificatifs et supplémentaires acceptés pendant le cours des travaux, la somme de 000 000,00 euros, sous déduction des versements qui ont été établis à hauteur de 000 000,00 euros."
Something like "contrat de marché (public)" might be less unexpected in a non-private context. But I don't know what to make of it here. Does it just mean "construction contract", therefore possibly a mis-typing?
"Réponse de la cour :
Selon l'article 1315 du code civil dans sa rédaction antérieure au 1er octobre 2016, celui qui réclame l'exécution d'une obligation doit la prouver.
Réciproquement, celui qui se prétend libéré doit justifier le paiement ou le fait qui a produit l'extinction de son obligation.
L'article 1353 du même code, dans sa version antérieure au 1er octobre 2016, dispose que les présomptions qui ne sont point établies par la loi, sont abandonnées aux lumières et à la prudence du magistrat, qui ne doit admettre que des présomptions graves, précises et concordantes, et dans les cas seulement où la loi admet les preuves testimoniales, à moins que l'acte ne soit attaqué pour cause de fraude ou de dol.
En l'espèce, les parties ne contestent pas le décompte établi par les premiers juges, selon lequel M. et Mme AAA doivent à la société BBB, au titre du contrat de marché et des travaux modificatifs et supplémentaires acceptés pendant le cours des travaux, la somme de 000 000,00 euros, sous déduction des versements qui ont été établis à hauteur de 000 000,00 euros."
Something like "contrat de marché (public)" might be less unexpected in a non-private context. But I don't know what to make of it here. Does it just mean "construction contract", therefore possibly a mis-typing?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | initial contract |
Bourth
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| 3 +1 | Transaction /Deal/ Bargain contract |
Imane Ben Lakehal
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| 4 | (private-treaty) procurement contract |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 | (private) procurement contract |
Johannes Gleim
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Proposed translations
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initial contract
Contrat and marché are so similar in meaning that it is senseless to take them at face value, so it becomes a matter of interpretation. In assuming this expression does not appear elsewhere in your text, it seems to me that the follow-on, des travaux modificatifs et supplémentaires acceptés pendant le cours des travaux, is what elucidates things: you have the contrat de marché, the initial contract, and these extra works bolted onto that contract, even if not in so many words (do you have details of the contractual arrangements for thse extra work?).
Marché implies something freely consented. The add-ons are rather less freely consented because they may have involved unsuspected complications that made them more or less obligatory.
Whatever you end up putting, I doubt it will have any real repercussions on understanding.
Marché implies something freely consented. The add-ons are rather less freely consented because they may have involved unsuspected complications that made them more or less obligatory.
Whatever you end up putting, I doubt it will have any real repercussions on understanding.
Peer comment(s):
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Ben Gaia
: nice and simple
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Kim Metzger
: The following examples list some contract changes that result in contract modifications. All these changes occur after the initial contract timeline and during the contract revision timeline.https://knowledgecenter.zuora.com/Zuora_Revenue/W_Advanced_f...
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| agree |
Daryo
: Works fine for this ST.
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Comment: "Thanks. Not entirely sure that it isn't "procurement contract" but that expression sounds distinctly odd to my ears in the "retail construction business" context."
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Imane Ben Lakehal
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Transaction /Deal/ Bargain contract
marché in English is a Transaction /Deal/ Bargain between two parties or more.
Contract is a Contract mostly in many languages.
or simply you can say a contract or agreement
Contract is a Contract mostly in many languages.
or simply you can say a contract or agreement
Reference:
http://www.wikiwords.org/dictionary/term/1150768/2241798
https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/contrat+de+march%C3%A9.html
1 hr
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
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Austria
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Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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(private-treaty) procurement contract
Could have been classified as a law rather than construction / civil engineering query.
Country, from the statute cited, assumed to be France.
The first weblink refers, albeit, to Contrat de Mission de Marché Privé and that my Estate Agent acquaintances in the South of England - assiduously following, and explaining to me, court cases in the Estates Gazette - might have characteris/zed as a Contract (to be awarded) by Private Treaty.
All I am sure of is that marché is a - routinely public - procuremement contract.
'While every procurement contract looks slightly different — reflecting the specific needs of your organization — most agreements fall into one of three broad categories: Fixed-price contracts. Cost-reimbursable contracts. Time and materials contracts.' If so, quety: which one is it.
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Note added at 1 hr (2024-04-15 09:41:43 GMT)
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if so, quaere - query...
Country, from the statute cited, assumed to be France.
The first weblink refers, albeit, to Contrat de Mission de Marché Privé and that my Estate Agent acquaintances in the South of England - assiduously following, and explaining to me, court cases in the Estates Gazette - might have characteris/zed as a Contract (to be awarded) by Private Treaty.
All I am sure of is that marché is a - routinely public - procuremement contract.
'While every procurement contract looks slightly different — reflecting the specific needs of your organization — most agreements fall into one of three broad categories: Fixed-price contracts. Cost-reimbursable contracts. Time and materials contracts.' If so, quety: which one is it.
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Note added at 1 hr (2024-04-15 09:41:43 GMT)
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if so, quaere - query...
Example sentence:
IATE: fr Unité Gestion des marchés, contrats et subventions Codict en Procurement, Contracts and Grant Management Unit Codict mul DG COMM - PROCUREMENT / GRANTS
Note from asker:
| Thanks, makes sense. |
5 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Works in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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189
French term (edited):
contrat de marché (privé)
(private) procurement contract
Un marché public est un contrat conclu entre une institution ou un établissement publics et un autre agent économique (public ou privé). Il détermine sous quelles conditions un organisme public peut faire appel aux services d’un autre organisme.
Les organismes publics recourent à ce type de contrat lorsqu’ils ont besoin de réaliser des travaux, d’acheter des fournitures ou de bénéficier d’une prestation de service.
Les contrats de marchés publics sont des contrats à titre onéreux. Cela signifie que l’acteur économique reçoit une compensation en échange d’une prestation de service pour l’organisme public. Ces contrats s’opposent ainsi aux contrats à titre gratuit.
https://infonet.fr/lexique/definitions/marche-public/
Aujourd’hui, les marchés privés BTP sont encadrés par différentes règles. Celles-ci imposent par exemple la garantie de paiement pour protéger le maître d’ouvrage, mais aussi la responsabilité constructeur et sous-traitants.
Les lois qui encadrent les marchés privés du bâtiment sont codifiées au Code du travail, ainsi qu’au Code de la construction et de l’habitation. Il existe également des normes établies par l’AFNOR qui permettent aux acteurs du contrat de marché privé de régir leurs relations contractuelles.
La norme NF P 03-001 décrit par exemple l’ensemble des documents à fournir et l’ensemble des modalités d’application pour les marchés de travaux privé.
https://www.obat.fr/blog/marche-prive/
Procurement contracts—often called purchase contracts—are contracts that establish a legally binding relationship between buyers and sellers that protects both entities throughout the procurement process.
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Procurement contracts are usually generated by the buyer. At the start, the project team communicates with the buying department to establish what will be needed for a project, including materials, services, staffing, technical specs and other requirements.
From there, the procurement team takes over, using this information to solicit bids from various vendors. Once a proposal is selected, the buyer uses the information gleaned from the buying department and project team to create the procurement contract. Contract management for procurement contracts requires managing vendor relationships and coordinating across the different parties at every step of the process.
Types of procurement contracts
Procurement contracts can cover several different aspects of the buyer-seller relationship. The contract terms included in your procurement contract create the most beneficial relationship for both parties.
The main types of procurement contracts include:
1. Fixed price contracts
2. Cost-reimbursable contracts
3. Time-and-materials contracts
https://ironcladapp.com/journal/contracts/what-is-a-procurem...
A procurement contract is a legally binding agreement between a buyer and a seller. In it, the seller agrees to make supplies available to the buyer, or undertake the buyer’s project, meeting certain specifications, and offering a set price (often with volume discounts).
In return, the buyer agrees to either take delivery of and pay for a specified volume of the seller’s supplies or reimburse for the cost incurred in creating the supplies or undertaking a project.
A procurement contract provides the groundwork for building and managing the customer-vendor relationship and eliminates the guesswork. To manage suppliers better, we have put together a strategic sourcing guide. Download it now to improve supplier relationships and cost savings.
https://kissflow.com/procurement/different-types-of-procurem...
Les organismes publics recourent à ce type de contrat lorsqu’ils ont besoin de réaliser des travaux, d’acheter des fournitures ou de bénéficier d’une prestation de service.
Les contrats de marchés publics sont des contrats à titre onéreux. Cela signifie que l’acteur économique reçoit une compensation en échange d’une prestation de service pour l’organisme public. Ces contrats s’opposent ainsi aux contrats à titre gratuit.
https://infonet.fr/lexique/definitions/marche-public/
Aujourd’hui, les marchés privés BTP sont encadrés par différentes règles. Celles-ci imposent par exemple la garantie de paiement pour protéger le maître d’ouvrage, mais aussi la responsabilité constructeur et sous-traitants.
Les lois qui encadrent les marchés privés du bâtiment sont codifiées au Code du travail, ainsi qu’au Code de la construction et de l’habitation. Il existe également des normes établies par l’AFNOR qui permettent aux acteurs du contrat de marché privé de régir leurs relations contractuelles.
La norme NF P 03-001 décrit par exemple l’ensemble des documents à fournir et l’ensemble des modalités d’application pour les marchés de travaux privé.
https://www.obat.fr/blog/marche-prive/
Procurement contracts—often called purchase contracts—are contracts that establish a legally binding relationship between buyers and sellers that protects both entities throughout the procurement process.
:
Procurement contracts are usually generated by the buyer. At the start, the project team communicates with the buying department to establish what will be needed for a project, including materials, services, staffing, technical specs and other requirements.
From there, the procurement team takes over, using this information to solicit bids from various vendors. Once a proposal is selected, the buyer uses the information gleaned from the buying department and project team to create the procurement contract. Contract management for procurement contracts requires managing vendor relationships and coordinating across the different parties at every step of the process.
Types of procurement contracts
Procurement contracts can cover several different aspects of the buyer-seller relationship. The contract terms included in your procurement contract create the most beneficial relationship for both parties.
The main types of procurement contracts include:
1. Fixed price contracts
2. Cost-reimbursable contracts
3. Time-and-materials contracts
https://ironcladapp.com/journal/contracts/what-is-a-procurem...
A procurement contract is a legally binding agreement between a buyer and a seller. In it, the seller agrees to make supplies available to the buyer, or undertake the buyer’s project, meeting certain specifications, and offering a set price (often with volume discounts).
In return, the buyer agrees to either take delivery of and pay for a specified volume of the seller’s supplies or reimburse for the cost incurred in creating the supplies or undertaking a project.
A procurement contract provides the groundwork for building and managing the customer-vendor relationship and eliminates the guesswork. To manage suppliers better, we have put together a strategic sourcing guide. Download it now to improve supplier relationships and cost savings.
https://kissflow.com/procurement/different-types-of-procurem...
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: all correct, but **for this ST** "contract initial" works fine and is certainly not wrong.// in **this ST** there's no framework of any kind - the client is NOT some developer with hundreds of properties, it's only one family with one family home.
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It's no "initial" contract, but a kind of framework contract for all trades involved in the project.
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