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Spanish term or phrase:
testigo métrico
English translation:
metric grid
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This is a text that mentions 19th-century French criminologist Bertillon (I am sure he never imagined he would inspire so many critical 21st-century artists!)
Para analizar la escena del crimen, Bertillon desarrolló otro sistema fotográfico cuya finalidad era buscar indicios. Se tomaban imágenes con trípode, desde una perspectiva concreta y una altura fija, de elementos como el cadáver y otros objetos y restos físicos susceptibles de servir como pruebas, acompañados de un testigo métrico. Se fotografiaban de manera cenital y lateral, se hacían también varias tomas generales. Las fotografías recopiladas se insertaban en una ficha a la que rodeaba un marco con medidas para facilitar el reconocimiento de la posición, tamaño y lugar en la escena del crimen.
The overarching idea is clear, but not that specific term. AI says "metric scale," but I am not convinced.
Thanks
Para analizar la escena del crimen, Bertillon desarrolló otro sistema fotográfico cuya finalidad era buscar indicios. Se tomaban imágenes con trípode, desde una perspectiva concreta y una altura fija, de elementos como el cadáver y otros objetos y restos físicos susceptibles de servir como pruebas, acompañados de un testigo métrico. Se fotografiaban de manera cenital y lateral, se hacían también varias tomas generales. Las fotografías recopiladas se insertaban en una ficha a la que rodeaba un marco con medidas para facilitar el reconocimiento de la posición, tamaño y lugar en la escena del crimen.
The overarching idea is clear, but not that specific term. AI says "metric scale," but I am not convinced.
Thanks
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | metric grid |
patinba
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| 4 +1 | ruler to show the scale |
philgoddard
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| 4 +1 | reference scale |
Thomas Walker
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| 3 | right angle ruler (metric) |
liz askew
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Jan 8, 2024 13:42: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Social Sciences" to "Other"
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metric grid
Galleries: Biographies: Alphonse Bertillon (1853–1914)
National Library of Medicine (.gov)
https://www.nlm.nih.gov › exhibition › visibleproofs
16 Feb 2006 — He also developed "metric photography," which used measured grids to document the dimensions of a particular space and the objects in it. By ...
Bertillon System - Dead Media Archive
New York University
http://cultureandcommunication.org › index.php › Ber...
15 Nov 2010 — While the grids used to graduate metric photography made for precise measurements they also point up the fact that the body is now made to be ...
National Library of Medicine (.gov)
https://www.nlm.nih.gov › exhibition › visibleproofs
16 Feb 2006 — He also developed "metric photography," which used measured grids to document the dimensions of a particular space and the objects in it. By ...
Bertillon System - Dead Media Archive
New York University
http://cultureandcommunication.org › index.php › Ber...
15 Nov 2010 — While the grids used to graduate metric photography made for precise measurements they also point up the fact that the body is now made to be ...
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ruler to show the scale
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Jennifer Levey
: Yes, that's what the ST refers to, but your own link gives the proper term(s): evidence scale / evidence rule - so why not give one or both of those as your answer?// I mean that there's no need for your descriptive circumlocution.
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I don't know what you mean by 'the proper term'. You of all people should know that there's rarely a definitive translation for anything. //Yes, my version is longer, but that doesn't make it wrong.
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reference scale
This answer is close to Phil's, but there is a term "reference scale" that I know more from my field, geology, than from forensics. We are taught from day 1 of Geology 101 to always have a reference scale in all photos, because in photos of some things, from close-ups to huge outcrops, you just can't tell the size. Sometimes to give an approximate sense of scale, it's enough to have a colleague in the picture. But there are printed reference scales made especially to give a more precise sense of scale in photos
There is a more recent term, "photomacrographic scale," which I think is probably specific to forensics, unlikely to have been around in Bertillon's time. Also available for purchase, on Amazon and no doubt elsewhere.
There is a more recent term, "photomacrographic scale," which I think is probably specific to forensics, unlikely to have been around in Bertillon's time. Also available for purchase, on Amazon and no doubt elsewhere.
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right angle ruler (metric)
https://www.etsy.com/uk/market/right_angle_ruler
I am matching this with the French picture reference I quoted earlier.
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http://www.filociencias.org/wiki/index.php/La_fotografía_for...
1 Aug 2013 — y, por último, que la imagen debía colocarse dentro de un marco con medidas métricas impresas (testigo métrico) para facilitar la ...
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actually, when you look here:
https://prezi.com/fuajzquehv0u/fotografia-forense-sebastian/
it is just a metric ruler !!
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so, amendment:
metric ruler
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https://thesandpitdotorg1.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/the-death...
The father of forensic photography, Alphonse Bertillon, working as head of photography for the Paris police force, developed the first protocol for systematically recording the crime scene – using a technique of Photographie Metrique. Using a tripod to photograph a bird’s eye view, the victim is placed in the middle of the picture, with all the details of the scene given equal attention. A non-judgemental perspective. ****The photographs are surrounded by a metric ruler****, to measure the relative distance between these details.
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here is "metric witness" as a mistranslation:
https://adncriminalistica.com/en/producto/testigo-metrico-bi...
it looks like the same metric ruler I quoted
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https://photoworks.org.uk/crime-scene-photography/
The facts, Ma’am, nothing but the facts
Attach the close-up lens and look for small details; blood under fingernails, wounds, bullet casings, a bloody knife, whatever is critical to telling the story of the event.
Some items (shoeprints, scuffs, broken glass, tire marks) should be photographed both in their pristine condition and then with a ruler next to them for scale. When shooting with a ruler, try to shoot perpendicular, so that perspective does not change the dimensions when admitted in court.
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A prisoner being "Bertillonaged" was first subjected to eleven different anthropometric measurements taken with specially designed calipers, gauges, and rulers. To ensure that the results were accurate and consistent, Bertillon meticulously choreographed the movements and gestures of both prisoner and police clerk. These photographs show Bertillon himself demonstrating his technique for measuring the middle finger.
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/705529
you can see the instrument in the picture
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oh, this is interesting
the picture above equates to a "sliding compass"
just for info:
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co13435...
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scale or ruler is used
https://www.sirchie.com/metric-photo-evidence-folding-scale....
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https://regist.ro/?fotografico/testigo-metrico
TÉCNICA DE MEDICIÓN DE ELEMENTOS EN UNA FOTOGRAFÍA MEDIANTE EL EMPLEO DE TESTIGO MÉTRICO
Mediante este manual aprenderás a medir partes de las imágenes generadas durante tus investigaciones empleando una escala o regla conocida como el testigo métrico. Su presencia en las imágenes nos permitirá emplearlo como referencia para medir elementos de la misma.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=anthroprometric rule&client=...
see anthropometric rule
I am matching this with the French picture reference I quoted earlier.
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Note added at 18 min (2024-01-08 13:49:31 GMT)
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http://www.filociencias.org/wiki/index.php/La_fotografía_for...
1 Aug 2013 — y, por último, que la imagen debía colocarse dentro de un marco con medidas métricas impresas (testigo métrico) para facilitar la ...
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Note added at 20 min (2024-01-08 13:50:52 GMT)
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actually, when you look here:
https://prezi.com/fuajzquehv0u/fotografia-forense-sebastian/
it is just a metric ruler !!
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Note added at 20 min (2024-01-08 13:51:06 GMT)
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so, amendment:
metric ruler
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Note added at 23 min (2024-01-08 13:53:53 GMT)
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https://thesandpitdotorg1.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/the-death...
The father of forensic photography, Alphonse Bertillon, working as head of photography for the Paris police force, developed the first protocol for systematically recording the crime scene – using a technique of Photographie Metrique. Using a tripod to photograph a bird’s eye view, the victim is placed in the middle of the picture, with all the details of the scene given equal attention. A non-judgemental perspective. ****The photographs are surrounded by a metric ruler****, to measure the relative distance between these details.
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Note added at 4 godz. (2024-01-08 18:25:49 GMT)
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here is "metric witness" as a mistranslation:
https://adncriminalistica.com/en/producto/testigo-metrico-bi...
it looks like the same metric ruler I quoted
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-08 18:40:23 GMT)
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https://photoworks.org.uk/crime-scene-photography/
The facts, Ma’am, nothing but the facts
Attach the close-up lens and look for small details; blood under fingernails, wounds, bullet casings, a bloody knife, whatever is critical to telling the story of the event.
Some items (shoeprints, scuffs, broken glass, tire marks) should be photographed both in their pristine condition and then with a ruler next to them for scale. When shooting with a ruler, try to shoot perpendicular, so that perspective does not change the dimensions when admitted in court.
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-08 18:49:12 GMT)
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A prisoner being "Bertillonaged" was first subjected to eleven different anthropometric measurements taken with specially designed calipers, gauges, and rulers. To ensure that the results were accurate and consistent, Bertillon meticulously choreographed the movements and gestures of both prisoner and police clerk. These photographs show Bertillon himself demonstrating his technique for measuring the middle finger.
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/705529
you can see the instrument in the picture
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-08 18:53:55 GMT)
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oh, this is interesting
the picture above equates to a "sliding compass"
just for info:
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co13435...
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-08 18:58:14 GMT)
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scale or ruler is used
https://www.sirchie.com/metric-photo-evidence-folding-scale....
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Note added at 7 godz. (2024-01-08 20:56:59 GMT)
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https://regist.ro/?fotografico/testigo-metrico
TÉCNICA DE MEDICIÓN DE ELEMENTOS EN UNA FOTOGRAFÍA MEDIANTE EL EMPLEO DE TESTIGO MÉTRICO
Mediante este manual aprenderás a medir partes de las imágenes generadas durante tus investigaciones empleando una escala o regla conocida como el testigo métrico. Su presencia en las imágenes nos permitirá emplearlo como referencia para medir elementos de la misma.
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Note added at 2 dni 21 godz. (2024-01-11 11:29:51 GMT) Post-grading
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https://www.google.com/search?q=anthroprometric rule&client=...
see anthropometric rule
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philgoddard
: I don't see how your answer is different to mine, except mine explains what the ruler is for. And 'métrico' doesn't mean 'metric', ie metres as opposed to feet and inches, it just means 'measuring'. One of your references says 'a ruler for scale'.
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"métrico" = metric, see:https://context.reverso.net/translation/spanish-english/métr...
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