Aug 17, 2023 15:14
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French term
avance de terre
French to English
Law/Patents
Real Estate
An audit report concerning the development of a wind farm concerns a section on easements over the land on which the wind turbines are to be installed. Under the heading 'Indemnities', the following sentence appears: 'Les servitudes ne donnent pas lieu au paiement d’indemnité. S’agissant de la servitude « d’intervention », seuls les dégâts aux cultures ou pertes **d’avances de terres** sont indemnisés, à chaque période d’exercice. Ceci est une pratique courante du secteur et n’appelle aucune observation de notre part'.
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Proposed translations
(English)
4 | future land-use restriction/s (by wayleaves) | Adrian MM. |
3 | loss of accountable advance | Bourth |
3 | land encroachments | AllegroTrans |
Proposed translations
6 hrs
loss of accountable advance
It appeared to me that the expression was parsed wrongly and should be not avances de terre but pertes d'avance, i.e. the loss of an investment (time, money) made before the event [which I see, at the time I am posting, others are also suggesting].
"En situation d’incertitude, les agriculteurs privilégient une recherche de flexibilité. Ne sachant pas si un phénomène susceptible, par exemple, de détruire les récoltes, va se produire ou non, les producteurs tendent à minimiser les avances (monétaires ou en temps) qu’ils consacrent à la production. Dans le cas où les récoltes sont effectivement détruites, la perte d’avance sera moins grande en agissant ainsi qu’en faisant comme si l’événement redouté n’allait pas se produire, c’est-à-dire comme en univers certain : en effet en univers certain (favorable), les producteurs peuvent sans risque faire les avances exigées pour maximiser leur production dont ils savent au départ qu’elle sera certaine au moment de la récolte."
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Document_complet.pdf
I can see how this applies, as above, to the loss incurred if ground is fertilized, say, then sown, without a descent crop being harvested.
The following makes a distinction between perte d'avance en terre and perte de récolte and refers to destructions des récoltes and destruction des sols. I suppose a perte d'avance en terre corresponds to the loss of the cost of fertilizer, fuel and time in preparing the soil, while a perte de récolte would the market value of the crop at the time if could have been sold.
"En cas de prise de possession du/des TERRAIN(S) (exception faite des chemins et des plateformes d'accès aux éoliennes qui seront maintenus libres de toute culture pendant toute la durée du BAIL) en cours d'année culturale - lors d'interventions ulterieures pour les besoins de l'entretien - une indemnité pour perte d'avance en terre ou perte de récolte sera versée à l'EXPLOITANT selon les barèmes d'indemnisation des destructions des récoltes ou de destruction des sols en vigueur dans le département de lieu de situation du bien loué"
Our Canadian friends have come up with an English term for perte d'avance (en terre?:
Perte d’avance à justifier - 8 Wing Trenton
Loss of accountable advance - 8 Wing Trenton .
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2014/tpsgc... AND
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2014/tpsgc...
The term is hardly common, however, so there may well be a more 'genuine' term. But failing anything better, it does make sense.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2023-08-17 22:17:07 GMT)
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Further reading suggests that things like soil compaction (due to heavy machinery crossing land), damage to land drainage systems, possibly damage to fences, etc. might count as pertes d'avance de terre, i.e. the losses need not be seasonal as my 'fertilizer and sowing', above, suggest, but might involve any previous investment (drainage, regular ploughing, etc.) rendered useless by the windfarm works.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2023-08-17 22:25:33 GMT)
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I mistakenly included 'accountable' (Perte d’avance à justifier = 'Loss of accountable advance') in my suggestion, but I feel it actually helps in understanding the meaning.
"En situation d’incertitude, les agriculteurs privilégient une recherche de flexibilité. Ne sachant pas si un phénomène susceptible, par exemple, de détruire les récoltes, va se produire ou non, les producteurs tendent à minimiser les avances (monétaires ou en temps) qu’ils consacrent à la production. Dans le cas où les récoltes sont effectivement détruites, la perte d’avance sera moins grande en agissant ainsi qu’en faisant comme si l’événement redouté n’allait pas se produire, c’est-à-dire comme en univers certain : en effet en univers certain (favorable), les producteurs peuvent sans risque faire les avances exigées pour maximiser leur production dont ils savent au départ qu’elle sera certaine au moment de la récolte."
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Document_complet.pdf
I can see how this applies, as above, to the loss incurred if ground is fertilized, say, then sown, without a descent crop being harvested.
The following makes a distinction between perte d'avance en terre and perte de récolte and refers to destructions des récoltes and destruction des sols. I suppose a perte d'avance en terre corresponds to the loss of the cost of fertilizer, fuel and time in preparing the soil, while a perte de récolte would the market value of the crop at the time if could have been sold.
"En cas de prise de possession du/des TERRAIN(S) (exception faite des chemins et des plateformes d'accès aux éoliennes qui seront maintenus libres de toute culture pendant toute la durée du BAIL) en cours d'année culturale - lors d'interventions ulterieures pour les besoins de l'entretien - une indemnité pour perte d'avance en terre ou perte de récolte sera versée à l'EXPLOITANT selon les barèmes d'indemnisation des destructions des récoltes ou de destruction des sols en vigueur dans le département de lieu de situation du bien loué"
Our Canadian friends have come up with an English term for perte d'avance (en terre?:
Perte d’avance à justifier - 8 Wing Trenton
Loss of accountable advance - 8 Wing Trenton .
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2014/tpsgc... AND
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2014/tpsgc...
The term is hardly common, however, so there may well be a more 'genuine' term. But failing anything better, it does make sense.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2023-08-17 22:17:07 GMT)
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Further reading suggests that things like soil compaction (due to heavy machinery crossing land), damage to land drainage systems, possibly damage to fences, etc. might count as pertes d'avance de terre, i.e. the losses need not be seasonal as my 'fertilizer and sowing', above, suggest, but might involve any previous investment (drainage, regular ploughing, etc.) rendered useless by the windfarm works.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2023-08-17 22:25:33 GMT)
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I mistakenly included 'accountable' (Perte d’avance à justifier = 'Loss of accountable advance') in my suggestion, but I feel it actually helps in understanding the meaning.
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French term (edited):
avances de terres
land encroachments
The key elements are usually the fence or other boundary, and the use of the land. Usually, the land must be used as a part of the holding to which it is being attached, for example if a garden adjoins the land, the land encroached upon would probably need to be used as a garden too, to stand a chance of being claimed.
Boundaries and Encroachment - Naturenet
Common Land Encroachment and Works | How To Take ...
Open Spaces Society
https://www.oss.org.uk › how-to-take-action-against-u...
The owner can take action under the normal laws of trespass against a work for which permission has not been sought. Persuading the owner to take action is ...
Encroachment Definition
Investopedia
https://www.investopedia.com › ... › Home Ownership
Encroachment happens when someone traverses boundaries outlined in a survey, violating the property rights of another property owner. Encroaching on someone ...
Boundaries and Encroachment - Naturenet
Common Land Encroachment and Works | How To Take ...
Open Spaces Society
https://www.oss.org.uk › how-to-take-action-against-u...
The owner can take action under the normal laws of trespass against a work for which permission has not been sought. Persuading the owner to take action is ...
Encroachment Definition
Investopedia
https://www.investopedia.com › ... › Home Ownership
Encroachment happens when someone traverses boundaries outlined in a survey, violating the property rights of another property owner. Encroaching on someone ...
1 day 3 hrs
French term (edited):
perte/s d'avance(s) de terres
future land-use restriction/s (by wayleaves)
- suggested to me by the wording of the question as a 'section on *easements* over the land* = restrictive land covenants as (UK) local land charges or private wayleave agreements with 'statutory undertakers' (public utility companies) and as a coalescence of ideas by the gist of the Discussion Entries.
It's perte*s* d'avance*s* de terre*s* - could be encapsulated by wayleaves in the plural.
It's perte*s* d'avance*s* de terre*s* - could be encapsulated by wayleaves in the plural.
Example sentence:
Land-use restriction means covenants restricting the use of land, recorded regulatory agreements, or any other form of an equitable servitude.
Electricity wayleave payments represent compensation for annual losses for *interference on agricultural land* caused by the presence of electricity lines ...
Discussion
"Le pas de porte existe de fait, sous forme d'avance de terres ou autres."
https://www.senat.fr/compte-rendu-commissions/20100503/eco.h...
In the given context, "pertes d'avancées de terres" refers to losses incurred due to advancements or progress made on the land. It likely indicates compensation for damages or losses that might arise as a result of activities related to the servitude "d'intervention," such as construction or development, which could negatively impact the development or forward movement made on the land.
Decent Google hits in this context: https://tinyurl.com/yfvufd3w