Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

le faisandage des êtres et des choses

English translation:

corruption (or degradation) of beings and things

Added to glossary by Daryo
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French term

c’est le faisandage des fetres et des choses

French to English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature
I'm actually looking for the whole quote in English, can't seem to find it anywhere.
It's an excerpt from 'the Romantic Agony' Beauty of the Medusa 45 by Mario Praz where he references the Goncourt brothers' quote:
*La passion des choses ne vient pas de la bontd ou de la beaut^
pure de ces choses, elle vient surtout de leur corruption. On aimera
follement une femme, pour sa putinerie, pour la mechancetd de son
esprit, pour la voyoucratie de sa t6te, de son coeur, de ses sens; on
aura le goiit d6r6gle d’une mangeaille pour son odeur avanc6e et qui
pue. Au fond, ce qui fait I’appassioimement: c’est le faisandage des
fetres et des choses.’
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Jul 31, 2023 06:56: Daryo Created KOG entry

Discussion

Monika Sojka (asker) Jul 15, 2023:
Thank you Thank you, everyone, for your input. As I’ve said before, I wasn’t asking for help in translating the whole quote but rather help from French speakers in trying to establish if there is an official, published version in English.
Monika Sojka (asker) Jul 14, 2023:
Thank you Thank you, everyone, for your input. As I’ve said before, I wasn’t asking for help in translating the whole quote but rather help from French speakers in trying to establish if there is an official, published version in English.
Yassine El Bouknify Jul 14, 2023:
A rough translation to your paragraph The allure of things does not originate from their intrinsic goodness or pristine beauty; rather, it predominantly emerges from their corruption. We may passionately love a woman for her promiscuity, for the malevolence of her intellect, for the rebellious disposition of her mind, heart, and senses. We may develop an immoderate craving for a specific food due to its matured and malodorous aroma. In essence, what truly ignites the fervor of passion is the deterioration of beings and things.
philgoddard Jul 14, 2023:
So you want the whole paragraph, not the eight words in your heading? That's 78 words, and the limit is ten.

Here's the correct version:
La passion des choses ne vient pas de la bonté ou de la beauté pure de ces choses, elle vient surtout de leur corruption. On aimera follement une femme, pour sa putinerie, pour la méchanceté de son esprit, pour la voyoucratie de sa tête, de son cœur, de ses sens ; on aura le goût déréglé d’une mangeaille pour son odeur avancée et qui pue.

Au fond, ce qui fait l’appassionnement : c’est le faisandage des êtres et des choses.
Monika Sojka (asker) Jul 14, 2023:
clarification I'm not looking for ideas as to how to translate it but I was hoping someone who speaks French could help me find the existing translation in English. I've not been able to find anything so far but my French is non-existent
Monika Sojka (asker) Jul 14, 2023:
no French I'm sorry I don't speak French so I copied what I could find. I'm trying to find an English translation of the quote
philgoddard Jul 14, 2023:
Fetres should be êtres. Faisander is to hang, as in game. I'm not sure how I'd translate it here.
Helen Shiner Jul 14, 2023:
Typos There are so many typos in the source text! I'm surprised you would post without correcting what is presumably a corrupt scanned text. Please indicate what you are having issues with.

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): le faisandage des êtres et des choses
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corruption (or degradation) of beings and things

or disfiguration, rather than "rotting" as these beings are still well alive.

FAISANDAGE, subst. masc.

A.−.....

B.− Au fig. ...

... Ce qui traduit cette dégradation, cette corruption.

https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/faisandage
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It is the putrefaction of beings and things

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Reference comments

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Reference:

Entire text in English. It's also a translation. The original is in Italian

The

Romantic Agony

By MARIO PRAZ


TRANSLATED FROM THE ITALIAN BY

ANGUS DAVIDSON

https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.13207/2015.1320...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Anastasia Kalantzi
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agree Daryo : also https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.13207/2015.13... the text as printed, before the conversion to .txt file.
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Reference:

le faisandage des êtres et des choses

FAISANDAGE, subst. masc.

A.− Action de faisander*, de conserver un gibier pendant quelque temps avant la cuisson pour lui faire acquérir un fumet spécial. On peut remplacer le faisandage par un bon marinage, qui attendrit également les chairs et leur donne un goût excellent (Lasnet1970).

B.− Au fig. État de dégradation, de décadence, de corruption morale ou intellectuelle :

Seulement, cette déliquescence continuée après la mort de Tertullien, par son élève saint Cyprien, par Arnobe, par le pâteux Lactance, était sans attrait. C'était un faisandage incomplet et alenti... Huysmans, À rebours,1884, p. 45.

− Ce qui traduit cette dégradation, cette corruption. Il [Lapailleur] aimait la cocaïne, les chiens, les vers libres, tous les faisandages moraux, et faisait semblant d'aimer la campagne (L. Daudet, Am. songe,1920, p. 46).

Prononc. : [fəzɑ ̃da:ʒ], v. faisan. Étymol. et Hist. 1852 fig. faisandage moral (Flaub., Corresp., p. 450); 1875 sens propre (Dr. E. Decaisne, L'Univers Illustré, p. 743, 1recol. ds Littré). Dér. du rad. de faisander*; suff. -age*. Fréq. abs. littér. : 6.
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/faisandage

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