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Dec 3, 2022 08:27
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French term

à cheval

French to English Tech/Engineering Manufacturing in a factory packaging master file
I can't fathom what "à cheval" means in this context:

La date et le visa à cheval sur l’étiquette indiquent la conformité et la correspondance de l’étiquette contenant et l’ADC collecté et attestent du bon dépôt de l’étiquette dans le dossier.

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Discussion

writeaway Dec 4, 2022:
Please share What was the answer you found elsewhere? Please share it-you can even enter it into the glossary if you wish
Mpoma Dec 3, 2022:
@Jennifer I tend to agree. Which is why it'd be nice to hear from one or two Francophones just saying whether it is quite as problematic to them...
Jennifer Levey Dec 3, 2022:
@Mpoma If the writer was both self-respecting and not in a hurry, the intended meaning of the ST would have been so perfectly crystal clear as to render this entire question unnecessary.
Mpoma Dec 3, 2022:
@TonyM That's an interesting possibility.

To me it is made slightly implausible by what we're expected to do with "sur" in that case: the date and the signature/initials/approval/stamp are then both "on" the label, and rather uncomfortably "à cheval" becomes detached from the "sur" which follows it in this expression.

I think no self-respecting writer not in a hurry would fail to notice that. But this may have been a non-self-respecting writer and/or one in a hurry.
Tony M Dec 3, 2022:
@ Asker et al. There is another possibility no-one so far as mentioned: it could mean it is signed across the date — in the way people do a lot with e.g. their firm's rubber stamp, to ensure it cannot subsequently be falsified. This might also be relevant where a date is concerned...

Proposed translations

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20 mins

either side of

This is found in most dictionaries. The logic is "on horseback" --> "straddles" --> therefore "either side". Labels have 2 sides. Date on one side, stamp on the other.

(Although visa can also mean "initials", but perhaps less likely here).

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I'm hoping one or more Francophones will give answers.

One thing which made me suggest this was that it's "à cheval *sur*", i.e. rather than "de". It's not proof in any sense but slightly nudges me towards this interpretation.

I don't really think that "à cheval sur" could refer to two things on the same side of the label, because then you'd use (I think) "adjacents" or "à côté", not an expression like this.

Equally, the possibility that these things are not actually *on* the label. However, we read that these things indicate the "conformité et la correspondance de l’étiquette" ... which would be odd if they weren't actually *on* the label.

But I await other thoughts...!

But there are certainly possibilities other than this.
Peer comment(s):

agree Andrew Bramhall : Sounds good to me!
1 hr
thanks
agree Bourth : Hmm. This could mean BESIDE but not actually ON the label. Labels do indeed have 2 sides. But 4 edges as a rule. Would 'on each side of' or 'on the left and right sides of' (as opposed to 'to the left and right of') be any clearer?
1 hr
Yes, confidence is set at 3: this sort of thought had occurred.
neutral mchd : à cheval ne signifie pas précisément d'un côté ou de l'autre de l'étiquette, mais en partie sur l'étiquette et en partie sur le contenant
1 hr
You are francophone so I'd be interested in your answer. Note confidence: 3.
agree Anastasia Kalantzi
3 hrs
agree Ilian DAVIAUD
8 hrs
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3 hrs

straddling the edge (of the label)

My reading is that the date et le visa are positioned across the edge of the label, so part of this information is on the label, and part on the container.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Mpoma : If this were the case surely you'd be obliged to say "à cheval sur l’étiquette et le contenant", and anyone writing it would see immediately that total confusion would result from omitting "et le contenant".
28 mins
agree ph-b (X) : I would have expected à cheval sur... et sur... and Jenny might want to check with her client that this is implied, but your suggestion and explanation make sense.
1 hr
agree Johannes Gleim : La date et la signature se chevauchent sur l'étiquette. Il n'est pas nécessaire de savoir si la date et la signature apparaissent également sur le conteneur.
1 day 1 hr
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Reference comments

1 day 6 hrs
Reference:

à cheval, chevaucher, chevauchement

□ CHEVAUCHEMENT, subst. masc.
A.− Position de deux objets qui empiètent l'un sur l'autre :
1. ... il [le savant] crayonne un profil d'oiseau. Le mutuel chevauchement de leurs plumes rappelle le dispositif adopté par les romaines écailles du reptile et de la sirène. Audiberti, L'Ampélour,1937, p. 87.
− P. métaph. :
2. L'érable était seul au milieu d'un bosquet de jeunes coudriers souples. Par delà les branches tendues aux larges feuilles s'élevait et retombait le chevauchement bleu des montagnes. De la tombe fraîche on dominait le dévalement des champs... Giono, L'Eau vive,1943, p. 280.
B.− Action de chevaucher quelque chose, d'être à cheval, d'empiéter sur quelque chose. Chevauchement d'une ligne continue, d'une ligne jaune (cf. chevaucher II B 2).
Rem. Fig., rare. Chevauchement de la chimère (cf. chevaucher II A loc. fig.) :
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/chevauchement
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