Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
to catch up with
French translation:
prendre exemple sur Y et combler son retard
English term
Serious and meeting of deadlines guarant
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French
to catch up with
The rest of the world needs to catch up with Y and not the other way around.
Non-PRO (1): Cyril Tollari
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Proposed translations
Gabon
Let's communicate your vision
Native in: French (Variants: Standard-France, African) , Fang 
Works in: Spanish to French, English to French, Italian to French, and 9 more.
prendre exemple sur Y et combler son retard
Partant de l'explication de Claire selon laquelle "the solutions that Y offers today are the next generation of identity security", je trouve que la proposition de Samuel, bien que pour moi la meilleure de toutes celles proposées jusqu'à présent, reste incomplète.
Et perso, j'aimerais savoir comment est-ce qu'il rendrait la seconde partie de l'idée/phrase : "and not the other way around"...
D'où ma proposition, car je pense qu'on ne devrait pas sectionner cette phrase ("catch up with Y" d'un côté et de l'autre "and not the other way around"), ce qui tend à supprimer une partie de l'information.
France
44 years of technical and legal texts
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , French
Works in: French to German, English to German, German to French, and 1 more.
rattraper (Y)
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Naomi Long
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thanks
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Cyril Tollari
: Oui tout simplement
6 hrs
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thanks
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Samuel Clarisse
: Ne va pas avec "not the other way around" même si dans un autre contexte cela pourrait fonctionner
9 hrs
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Daryo
: that can work
1 day 15 hrs
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thanks
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France
Always keeping in mind the audience
Native in: French (Variants: Standard-France, Swiss, Canadian, Belgian, Luxembourgish)
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French
prendre exemple sur
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Tony M
1 hr
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Maïté Mendiondo-George
: la même chose s'applique dans ce cas à ce que Tony avez écrit pour ma proposition
2 hrs
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Daryo
8 hrs
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Elena Radkova
9 hrs
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TB CommuniCAT
2 days 4 hrs
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France
Au Plus près des mots et des cultures
Native in: French , German
Works in: German to French, English to French, French to German, and 2 more.
Rivaliser avec ou le concurrencer
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Tony M
: This introduces an unwanted 'judgmental' notion not present in the source text.
25 mins
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rivaliser veut dire aussi "se mettre au même niveau - tout comme concurrancer ..pas nécessairement une idée de rivalité
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Samuel Clarisse
: Impossible... la connotation n'est nullement identique
37 mins
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je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous .. il s'ait dans mon expression d'une langue soutenue
rivaliser veut dire devenir aussi bon !
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Daryo
: simply not that, in whichever register.
6 hrs
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Dominique Stiver
: avant de rivaliser ou de concurrencer, il faut rattraper le retard en se hissant au niveau de Y
1 day 19 hrs
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United Kingdom
experienced and well qualified linguist
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Spanish, and 3 more.
le trouver et apprendre de lui
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Tony M
: 'trouver' is quite wrong here, and there is nothing in the soucre term that actually implies 'apprendre'.
8 hrs
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Dominique Stiver
: on ne va pas trouver un concurrent pour lui demander conseil...
13 hrs
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Native in: English , French
Works in: English to French, French to English, German to French, and 4 more.
calquer
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Maximilien Petitjean
: Je ne peux qu'être d'accord.
Cette structure a le mérite de fonctionner dans les deux sens, car on ne va pas "se hisser " au niveau du reste du monde qui, semble-t-il, est à la traîne.
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c'est X qui est à la traîne derrière Y
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the point is in who is "the real leader" and who is "trailing behind"
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C'est le reste du monde qui est à la traîne derrière Y, et non l'inverse.
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A company claiming "the rest of the world should follow us" sounds to me like a quite forceful assertion that "we are the ones in the right / ours is the right solution".
Can't see why that aspect should be watered down in the translation.
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Tony M
: Yes, for the idea — although I do rather feel this expresses a 'judgement' that the source text is at pains to avoid. / Ths S/T puts a positive spin on their message, to avoid appearing to overly criticize their competition.
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The ST sounds to me rather heavily "judgemental", as in: "we are the future" so other should see the errors of their outdated ways and follow us // A "nice and neutral" marketing material? That would be a first, more like a contradictio in adjecto?
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Discussion
− Au fig. Rejoindre le niveau plus avancé de. Le secteur tertiaire avait rattrapé le secteur industriel
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/rivaliser
Par conséquent, rivaliser Y et non avec Y
en voici une supplémentaire:
Il en incombe aux autres de se hisser au niveau de ...
Mention de "Next generation"