Mar 23, 2022 11:45
2 yrs ago
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French term

commissionnement

French to English Other Automotive / Cars & Trucks
A software developer's corporate object is described as follows" 'le *commissionnement* auprès de professionnels de vente de pièces automobiles, la formation, la conception, le développement, la commercialisation et la mise à jour de solutions logicielles adaptées aux besoins des entreprises'. The company has developed a software that end of life vehicle centres can use to advertise spare parts to mechanics, etc.
I've listed this in the 'automotive' field but understand that the field may have to be changed if someone is able to explain what the term means in this specific context.
Thanks in advance if you're able to help me.

Discussion

Daryo Mar 26, 2022:
These people must be only selling/licencing their software.

If they start running an e-commerce website using their own software and start charging a commission on each transaction that would be a completely different activity - THAT is not being "a software developer".
Daryo Mar 23, 2022:
Ouch! That's yet another meaning of "commission" (=the middleman's fee), but that one won't fit in this text for sure!

In absence of reliable context info, my bet would be on "we first have to get commissioned by the client to make some client's needs specific software", although "commissioning=roll out" could also be part of the services offered, but should then (in that meaning) be listed at the end.

The meaning of "commissioning" I have in mind is the same as NHS trusts "commissioning" services from hospitals, GPs and other "health services providers"
Sarah Russell (asker) Mar 23, 2022:
It isn't for me to rewrite the client's text but I think (hope!!) that by turning the order of the sentence around and basing the queried term on CadastreToulous' suggestion, I might possibly have come up with a solution that I can at least propose to the client (I promise I'll hear your screams of protest if I'm wrong!!!): XXX designs, develops, markets and upgrades software solutions tailored to the needs of its clients, provides training on those solutions and licenses them for a commission to professional distributors of automotive spare parts
Daryo Mar 23, 2022:
No internal coherence given that "le commissionnement" is the first element of the list, you would expect that the meaning would be "obtaining a commission (= an order)" from potential clients (the first step in software development).

But if they are selling some already existing software, that meaning wouldn't make sense.

But then again ... "solutions logicielles adaptées aux besoins des entreprises" are NOT ready made software that only needs to be sold and "commissioned=made ready for use" - to make anything "adaptées aux besoins des entreprises" these adaptations need FIRST to be "commissioned=requested by/ordered by" the client.

I haven't seen a trickiest term than "commission (and all its variations). As proved yet again.
Conor McAuley Mar 23, 2022:
This is interesting, supports my answer I... ...suppose, but I'll post it here, in case somebody has a better answer, sparked by this.


Le commissionnement est défini comme « l'ensemble des tâches pour mener à terme une installation neuve afin qu'elle atteigne le niveau des performances contractuelles et créer les conditions pour les maintenir » (Mémento du commissionnement, 2008, COSTIC, ADEME, FFB).Oct 4, 2018

Le commissionnement - ADEMEhttps://www.ademe.fr

Proposed translations

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working on commission

Nothing to do with launch of a product, this is about working on a commission basis.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-is-commission-pay-206...

Presumably a cut is taken on every used car part sold via the platform.

"le commissionnement auprès de professionnels" (professionnels de vente de pièces automobiles) is an independent whole, the start of a list of activities, and is not attached to what follows.

"Avec le contrat d'agent ou de commissionnement, le distributeur automobile est en droit de se poser des questions quant à la valorisation de ses fonds de commerce.'

"Au moment de la vente, l’Acheteur remet la totalité de la somme sous forme de chèque de banque au Déposant. GT courtage automobile retourne en suite la facture de commissionnement au Déposant. Le Déposant règle à GT courtage automobile sa commission sous 10 jours."

" Les accords avec les captives des constructeurs et les maisons de financement indépendantes fonctionnent sur 2 ressorts : un commissionnement direct des ventes de financement et une bonification du coût de financement des stocks. Le commissionnement peut prendre la forme d’un pourcentage fonction du montant prêté à l’acheteur de véhicule, du taux moyen du crédit et des assurances commercialisées"
Note from asker:
This seems to me to be a valid point, as a later clause does indeed state that the software developer will receive a commission for each part sold by its partner ...
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : Makes so much more sense in the given context.
15 mins
agree ph-b (X) : « Commissionnement : Donner à quelqu'un commission de vendre ou d'acheter des marchandises. » (CNRTL). A commission is paid each time a sale or a purchase takes place.
1 hr
agree SafeTex : I think though the translator may well need to rework this suggestion though ("introduction/developement of a commission structure" for example).
3 hrs
Indeed.
agree Yvonne Gallagher
1 day 8 hrs
disagree Daryo : makes ABSOLUTELY no sense in this text - these people are in the business of creating custom-made software, made BY THEM vs. "selling on commission" is always done with other people's goods or services, NOT YOUR OWN.
2 days 13 hrs
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9 mins

roll out

roll out (for)...software


The problem in terms of understanding is the noun where English has a verb, and the twisted sentence.

Read: "le commissionnement...de solutions logicielles" and it's clearer.


This part of a Kbis is always tricky, company objects.


Software is rolled out:

How to Crush Your Next Software Rollout | The TechSmith Bloghttps://www.techsmith.com › blog › software-rollout
It's a good idea to offer flexible options like visuals and video to roll out software platforms company-wide. That way, users can always go back and ...
‎The essential elements of your... · ‎How to effectively...


Maybe some confusion in the author's mind: you commission machines, big facilities, etc.
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard : To commission has two meanings: to order from someone else, which is not the case here, and to start up, which fits the context. I don't understand why it's the first item on the list and not the last.
10 mins
Thanks Phil!
neutral Daryo : That meaning of "commissioning" sounds like it could make sense, but there is a serious "but": that would be the LAST step in project development, not the FIRST!
57 mins
agree Samuël Buysschaert : C'est l'idée, je comprends cela comme "l'accompagnement" à travers les étapes, tout au long du projet jusqu'au lancement/déploiement, dans ce cas explique pourquoi c'est en premier, cela reste mon interprétation bien sûr !
1 hr
Merci Samuël !
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9 mins

commissioning

is what I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_commissioning

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https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/commissioning-spares
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5 hrs

provision and sale

I understand it as provision and sale of spare parts to mechanics, etc.

Provision and sale of spare parts to the food and dairy industries
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/peter-speight-lion-46923831

d) Establish a department or organization or incorporate a special or joint cooperative for assisting road freight or passenger transport operators with the provision and sale of spare parts and other related items for the maintenance, roadworthiness and the overall good operation of their vehicles, …
https://ofae.gr/static/docs/OFAE_statute_en.pdf

Course contents:
Principles of organization and technology activities across the service and repair services according to individual assignment and conditions subject at the practice implemented. Service experience is focused on selling cars, diagnosis , servicing and repair of vehicles, carrying out technical tests of cars, complaint management, provision and sale of spare parts.
https://tnuni.sk/fileadmin/dokumenty/uchadzaci/ects/FST/SaOA...

PROVISION AND SALE OF SPARE PARTS – MAPNA
:
The company guarantees after-sale services and spare part provision after commissioning railway projects across the country.
https://www.mapnagroup.com/en/fields-of-activity/railway/mai...

12. Delivery. Subject to this Agreement (provisions of which shall control in case of any conflict), provision and sale of Parts to ARI by Manufacturer hereunder shall be governed by and be in accordance with ARI’s standard purchase order terms and conditions, attached hereto as Exhibit B, and provision and sale of Parts to Manufacturer by ARI hereunder shall be governed by and be in accordance with Manufacturer’s standard purchase order terms and conditions, attached hereto as Exhibit C.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1344596/000134459615...

These terms & conditions, and any dispute or claim arising out of or in connection with the provision and sale of products and services, shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with the law of Italy.
https://www.exosomics.eu/terms-conditions-sales/

Seller and Buyer have agreed to execute this Master Agreement in order to establish the terms of Seller’s provision and sale, and Buyer’s acceptance and purchase of NEPOOL-GIS Certificates to meet a portion of the Buyer’s requirements to comply with the applicable RPS, APS or CPS Regulations, as defined herein.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
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2 days 16 hrs

development of custom-made software (/ as commissioned by clients)

here "commissionnement" means "being commissioned" by clients.

Same as hospitals are "commissioned" by the NHS, or sculptors get "commissioned" to make a statue.

Or in an easier to understand version:

Making software "to order" / "according to client's specifications"

That's what you would expect at the beginning of a list of services offered by a smallish software developer, as confirmed after cross-checking (see refs.).

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Here is a sample on "accepting commissions" in the sense of "being commissioned" to make s.t. "according to client's wishes":

Do you do commissions?
No.

https://stonetoss.com/about/


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another sample:

‘Translation’ means the commissioned work produced by the Translator.

https://www.kettlehill.co.uk/terms



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Reference comments

5 hrs
Reference:

mise à disposition et vente

Mise à disposition et vente d'intrants agricoles
CAIMA (Ministère de l'Agriculture)
En agriculture, on appelle intrants les différents produits apportés aux sols et aux cultures, qui ne proviennent ni de l’exploitation agricole, ni de sa proximité.
https://service-public.ne/fr/demarche/mise-disposition-et-ve...

Mise à disposition et vente de terrain
Deux points principaux sont ressortis du dernier conseil municipal. D’une part la vente et la mise à disposition de terrains. D’autre part, un report de délibération a été prévu pour l’attribution d’une subvention exceptionnelle aux société et association de chasse.
https://www.estrepublicain.fr/politique/2021/07/15/mise-a-di...

Activité : Acquisition propriété mise en valeur transformation construction aménagement administration location mise à disposition et vente (à titre exceptionnel) de tous biens et droits immobiliers.
https://www.bodacc.fr/annonce/telecharger/EBODACC-A_20150161...

Objet social
Location, mise à disposition et vente de tous véhicules neufs ou d'occasion, utilitaires ou tourisme, tous véhicules de transport.
https://societeinfo.com/app/recherche/societe/532241874

Mise à disposition et vente de matériels et équipements industriels
Mise à disposition de Postes à Souder, Grues et autres matériels de construction
Ventes d’equipements industriels aux entreprises et sur plateformes petrolières
http://www.sipci.net/crbst_10.html

Exposition de l’ancien et actuel matériel, démonstration de désincarcération, premiers gestes de secours, maison de feu et accro-branches pour les petits, mise à disposition et vente de détecteurs de fumée ou de monoxyde de carbone, etc.
http://www.herrlisheim-pres-colmar.fr/publicmedia/original/1...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

disagree Daryo : this business is not in the business of selling parts - they sell their own software that helps other people to sell and buy spare parts.
2 days 11 hrs
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2 days 16 hrs
Reference:

Code NAF ou APE : 62.01Z (Programmation informatique)

Activité principale déclarée :
Le commissionnement auprès de professionnels de vente de pièces automobiles, la formation, la conception, le développement, la commercialisation et mise à jour de solutions logicielles adaptées aux besoins des entreprises.
Code NAF ou APE :
62.01Z (Programmation informatique)
Domaine d’activité :
Programmation, conseil et autres activités informatiques

https://www.pappers.fr/entreprise/saceo-523270866


It's the more or less standard description of the "activity code" 62.01Z (Programmation informatique) that has NOTHING to with "selling on commission"

as per the detailed description of NAF code 62.01Z:



Section J : Information et communication
Division 62 : Programmation, conseil et autres activités informatiques
Groupe 62.0 : Programmation, conseil et autres activités informatiques
Classe 62.01 : Programmation informatique
Sous-classe 62.01Z : Programmation informatique
Cette sous-classe comprend les activités de développement, adaptation, test et prise en charge de logiciels. Elle comprend également la conception de programmes sur la base des instructions des utilisateurs.

NOMENCLATURES

Dernière mise à jour le : 01/01/2008

Cette sous-classe comprend
la conception de la structure et du contenu et l'écriture des programmes informatiques nécessaires à la création et à l'implantation de :

logiciels systèmes et réseaux

applications logicielles

bases de données

pages web

l'adaptation de logiciels, c'est-à-dire la modification et la configuration d'une application existante pour la rendre opérationnelle dans l'environnement informatique du client

Cette sous-classe ne comprend pas
l'édition de logiciels standards, éventuellement associée à leur production (cf. 58.29)

la traduction ou l'adaptation de logiciels non personnalisés pour un marché déterminé, pour compte propre (cf. 58.29)

la planification et la conception de systèmes informatiques intégrant les technologies du matériel, des logiciels et des communications, même si la fourniture de logiciels en fait partie (cf. 62.02A)

Produits associés CPF rév. 2.1, 2015
62.01.11 – Services de conception et développement informatique pour applications

62.01.12 – Services de conception et développement informatique pour réseaux et systèmes

62.01.21 – Originaux de jeux électroniques

62.01.29 – Autres originaux de logiciels

https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/nafr2/sousClasse/62.01Z?...


Nota bene:
Cette sous-classe comprend les activités de développement, adaptation, test et prise en charge de logiciels. Elle comprend également la conception de programmes sur la base des instructions des utilisateurs.


la conception de programmes sur la base des instructions des utilisateurs = developing software as commissioned by clients.
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