Oct 27, 2021 09:59
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English term

mean

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Chapter 1 in The Street Lawyer by John Grisham has this phrase: "Though Rafter was the meanest and most effective litigator in the firm, he was not yet a partner".
I looked up for 'mean' in the Merriam Webster online dictionary and found that this adjective has a lot of meanings such as:

4. lacking dignity or honor : BASE: a mean motive
5a : penurious, stingy: He's very mean with his money.
b : characterized by petty selfishness or malice: a mean surly man
c : causing trouble or bother : vexatious: a mean soil to work
d : excellent, effective: plays a mean trum

The question is, how does the reader understand what kind of person Rafter is?
Is he an excellent litigator? Or a stingy one?
Could I say for instance about my teacher: He's the meanest teacher of English I've ever known" meaning the best one?
Thank you in advance.
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PRO (2): Yvonne Gallagher, philgoddard

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Discussion

philgoddard Oct 27, 2021:
Asker Yes, I think you can say you have a mean teacher meaning he's good. It would be apparent from the context. And there may be a certain admiration in Grisham's description - the lawyer may not be very nice, but he gets the job done.
philgoddard Oct 27, 2021:
Liz One of the many things I've learned as a Brit living in the United States, often by making mistakes and being misunderstood, is that it doesn't mean "miserly" in US English.
liz askew Oct 27, 2021:
=
miserly
close-fisted
parsimonious
penny-pinching
cheese-paring
ungenerous
penurious
illiberal
close
grasping
greedy
avaricious
acquisitive
Scrooge-like
miserable
tight-fisted
stingy
tight
mingy
money-grubbing
skinflinty
cheap
grabby
hungry
near
niggard
vulgar slangtight as a duck's arse
tight-arse
tight-arsed
tight-ass
tight-assed
2.
unkind
nasty
spiteful
foul
malicious
malevolent
despicable
contemptible
obnoxious
vile
odious
loathsome
disagreeable
liz askew Oct 27, 2021:
The Chamber - Page 49 - Google Books Resulthttps://books.google.co.uk › books
John Grisham · 2010 · ‎Fiction
For thirty years he had been a ruthless litigator, the meanest, nastiest, and without a doubt one of the most effective courtroom brawlers in Chicago.

"meanest" here is a negative characteristic.

Responses

+5
54 mins
Selected

nasty, vicious, ruthless

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/nasty
basically ruthless, disagreeable, unpleasant

https://books.google.ie/books?id=VAuF-A4OdesC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA...

I read the first chapter to get an idea of the character. As you see, "mean" has lots of meanings and connotations so context is needed to work out which meaning it is.
I thought first of all that it was excellent, first-rate, to match "effective" but after reading, it turns out he is described as

"tough and scrappy" p3
fearless, as he glares at the hostage taker while the other look at their feet
unliked or disliked (he'd be the first sacrificial lamb)



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Note added at 59 mins (2021-10-27 10:58:42 GMT)
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So it seems he is someone who is effective by getting results but doesn't really care how he gets them. Don't have time to read any more but that's my impression anyway

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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-10-27 13:52:47 GMT)
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if you want to use superlative you can say: nastiest, most vicious or most ruthless

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Note added at 5 days (2021-11-01 12:08:23 GMT) Post-grading
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No problem! Yes, lots of different meanings possible so difficult without reading prior context carefully (and why I think it's "pro"). Glad to have helped

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Note added at 5 days (2021-11-01 12:10:28 GMT) Post-grading
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BTW "scrappy" means argumentative, or pugnacious. Definitely not a very pleasant individual
Peer comment(s):

agree liz askew
52 mins
Many thanks:-)
agree Orkoyen (X)
1 hr
Many thanks:-)
agree Tony M : As it uses the superlative, it wouldn't really mean 'good', as I'd at first hoped. 'Tough' could be a good one here. / I don't know how it's being used on P3? 'Tough' in the sense of hard, difficult.
2 hrs
Thanks! "tough"already used on p 3 "tough and scrappy" in that sense
agree philgoddard
2 hrs
Thanks:-)
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
4 hrs
Thanks:-)
neutral Daryo : I think that here it's more about being "single-minded/determined", the "unpleasantness" being more a secondary side-effect of that.
2 days 11 hrs
I disagree.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you very much Ivonne, you've been very helpful in interpreting this tough (mean?!) phrase. Thanks a lot!"
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