Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

les règles du mandat

English translation:

power of attorney rules

Added to glossary by Conor McAuley
Sep 22, 2021 13:43
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French term

les règles du mandat

French to English Law/Patents Law (general) Pre-marital contact (Switzerland)
Lorsqu’un des époux confie expressément ou tacitement l’administration de ses biens à son conjoint, les règles du mandat sont applicables, sauf convention contraire.
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Sep 24, 2021 04:33: Conor McAuley Created KOG entry

Discussion

Conor McAuley Sep 24, 2021:
I just think if you start explaining/suggesting things like "prête-nom" to people, then they're bound to start getting a little, ahem, "creative", that's just human nature.

Anyway, one hundred thousand thank yous, as they say in Ireland, for choosing my answer. Well, one at least, anyway!
AllegroTrans (asker) Sep 23, 2021:
Ah yes, dodginess English law deals with that by the presumption that we will all act reasonably and with probity and good faith. Like the man on the Clapham omnibus (Hall vs Brooklands Auto-Racing Club 1932, elevated to even greater fame by Lord Denning).
Some bedtime reading: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41301011
Conor McAuley Sep 23, 2021:
I think I mentioned about value judgements...are the rules flexible to the point of creating room for a bit of dodginess? Maybe not for us to say.
AllegroTrans (asker) Sep 23, 2021:
And I found articles mentioning the "règles du mandat du droit commun" again suggesting that such rules are in the legislation. So I don't think the "mandat" here is the marriage settlement, as (interestingly of course) suggested by Adrian.
AllegroTrans (asker) Sep 23, 2021:
Final decision I have chosen "power of attorney rules" as further research leaves me to believe that such rules are codified into the law of Switzerland (and France of course).

Un exemple du mandat sans représentation est le contrat de prête-nom. Dans ce contrat, le prête-nom s’engage à agir pour le compte d’autrui mais en son propre nom. Le prête-nom ne dit pas au tiers contractant pour qui il agit et a fortiori ne révèle pas l’identité de la personne pour laquelle il agit. Le prête-nom s’engage donc personnellement. Cela étant, la jurisprudence considère que les relations entre le prête-nom et la personne pour le compte de laquelle il agit sont régies par les règles du mandat.
Conor McAuley Sep 22, 2021:
I tend to agree with you, but I suppose we have to be careful about value judgements. Blame Napoleon and Julius Caesar and law written down, is that the old thing?
AllegroTrans (asker) Sep 22, 2021:
Thanks Conor... by contrast, a UK or Irish POA can grant power to do virtually anything provided it is lawful and capable of being done asfaik and is drawn up and executed in the proper manner. Methinks our continental cousins tend to microanalyse all of this and impose lots more legislation.
Conor McAuley Sep 22, 2021:
Yes, absolutely.

Interesting:

"In general, a Swiss power of attorney includes rights for: extrajudicial representation, representation before all courts of law and any administrative authorities, entry into agreements, including arbitration agreements, entering into settlements, receiving and issuing payments, securities, dealing with matters regarding debt collection and litigation in Switzerland, representation in inheritance matters and even representation in criminal matters."

https://www.companyformationswitzerland.com/power-of-attorne...
AllegroTrans (asker) Sep 22, 2021:
My thinking on this is that Switzerland (presumably in common with other code law countries) has specific rules regarding POAs - e.g. what powers can and cannot be granted, and exactly how. In GB we don't have that degree of legal oversight. So maybe "the statutory (Swiss) power of attorney rules" would be appropriate given that the English translation is needed for Asia. Thoughts anybody?

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power of attorney rules

Power of Attorney Rules in California - Legal Info | legalzoom ...https://info.legalzoom.com › article › power-attorney-r...
Power of Attorney Rules in California · General. A general POA allows your agent to act on your behalf on all financial matters. · Durable. Having durable ...

Presumably some basic rules apply to a POA, an attorney can't do absolutely anything.


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Attorney or Agent. I use Agent.
Note from asker:
Thanks Conor
Peer comment(s):

agree Eliza Hall : Yes, this is the most fluent, natural way to say it in EN.
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Oh, thanks very much Eliza!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "attorney rules OK; grma Conor!"
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the terms of the agency (E&W) of the marriage settlement

I doubt this is a Swiss match-making or marriage bureau brief, as in the first reference comment. The give-away could lie in the question: ....'confie expressément ou tacitement l’administration de ses biens à son conjoint--'

'Without wishing to names-drop', I am pretty sure that there are certain London High Court Family and Chancery (aka Property Court) Divisional Judges who would deem the 'mandat' a settlement.
Example sentence:

Marriage settlements are a document granted before a notary public by which the spouses, or future spouses, establish the 'patrimonial' / financial and economic rules related to their marriage.

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Intreresting linkage back to the terms of the marriage settlement; it is logical but I cannot be sure
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rules of the power of attorney


A Power of Attorney (POA) is a legal document giving one person the authority to act for another person (the principal). This agent may have broad or limited legal authority to make decisions about the principal's property, finances, or medical care.

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I'll rephrase it as The power of attorney rules
Peer comment(s):

neutral Eliza Hall : Correct meaning, but stilted phrasing--at least, it sounds stilted to me as a US & UK EN speaker. If it sounds fluent/natural in Nigerian EN--does it? I have no idea--then of course it's correct for Nigeria.
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Thank you for your observation.
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