Jun 28, 2021 08:41
2 yrs ago
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French term
concours d’élégance
French to English
Art/Literary
Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
concessions
Hi,
Has anyone come across this term in relation to fashion before?
As I understand it, this is often related to automobile or equestrian events.
all suggestions welcome
Has anyone come across this term in relation to fashion before?
As I understand it, this is often related to automobile or equestrian events.
all suggestions welcome
Proposed translations
(English)
3 | Concours d'Elégance | Domini Lucas |
4 | Beauty pageant | Andrew Bramhall |
4 | beauty contest | Conor McAuley |
3 | fashion show | Mpoma |
3 | Elegance Contest | SafeTex |
Proposed translations
5 days
Selected
Concours d'Elégance
Leave in original French based on links given.
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27 mins
Beauty pageant
A literal translation of ' elegance contest' sounds very stilted in English; best avoided.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Conor McAuley
: Pageant strikes me as American, so this would be ok if the target variant is ENUS. / I'm from Ireland, but from a generation that thinks (or thought) that "movie" (as in cinema or film) is/was American English, so yes, things change I suppose.
9 hrs
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I'm from the UK, and we use it regularly here.
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7 hrs
beauty contest
https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/news/concours-delegance/
"CONCOURS D'ELEGANCE
Fin des mini-miss : "On réfléchira à en organiser en Belgique"
MINI MISS - Les jours des ***concours de beauté*** pour enfants sont comptés. Adoptée dans la nuit de mardi à mercredi au Sénat"
"CONCOURS D'ELEGANCE
Fin des mini-miss : "On réfléchira à en organiser en Belgique"
MINI MISS - Les jours des ***concours de beauté*** pour enfants sont comptés. Adoptée dans la nuit de mardi à mercredi au Sénat"
Peer comment(s):
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Mpoma
: This wouldn't really be about fashion, to my way of thinking.
1 hr
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More likely to be about this than horses or old cars, on reflection. More context needed.
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9 hrs
fashion show
In light of the announced context, this seems to be closer than competitions in which the people inside the clothes are adjudged on the basis of various criteria.
It's true that the element of competitiveness is implicit rather than explicit in my suggestion, but I think all fashion shows are in fact competitive.
It's true that the element of competitiveness is implicit rather than explicit in my suggestion, but I think all fashion shows are in fact competitive.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Conor McAuley
: The words "défilé de mode" exist in French if the journalist wanted to say this. / Catwalk show. But basically a fashion show is a catwalk show, to all intents and purposes.
52 mins
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*défilé de mode* is more like "fashion parade" (except that the FR expression is probably now more often used in the EN-speaking world)
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4 days
Elegance Contest
Just wanted to put this up although it may ruffle some feathers. But I've said before that when translating, the idea is not always to sound 100% English.
There are occasions when the reader knows they are reading a translation about another country and a term translated word for word may give the reader more information than an alternative English term which can be misleading ("beauty" for example)
And this is IMHO another good example of such a term.
Note though that I personally prefer "contest" to "competition" here.
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Forgot to say that you can of course use italics, or use the French with English in brackets. It all depends on the text layout and your personal preferences for handling such things
There are occasions when the reader knows they are reading a translation about another country and a term translated word for word may give the reader more information than an alternative English term which can be misleading ("beauty" for example)
And this is IMHO another good example of such a term.
Note though that I personally prefer "contest" to "competition" here.
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Note added at 4 days (2021-07-02 10:07:17 GMT)
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Forgot to say that you can of course use italics, or use the French with English in brackets. It all depends on the text layout and your personal preferences for handling such things
Note from asker:
Hi, I quite like this idea but in the end decided to leave in French. |
Reference comments
1 day 6 hrs
Reference:
re Concours d'Elegance potential link with fashion
From the Edison Concours d’Elegance:
Concours d’Elegance (properly pronounced kon-koor del-i-gahns) events began over 100 years ago in the parks of Paris, the Riviera and other elegant towns of Europe. The rich and famous of European society gathered to socialize and celebrate, as unique forms of art, the latest automobiles as well as the latest of women’s fashion and design.
These gatherings were called Concours d’Elegance, which term conjures up romantic visions of beautiful women in haute couture in a park like setting surrounded by sparkling automobiles. The early Concours were leisurely social affairs, where lighthearted competitors were rewarded with rosettes. However, man being the perpetual competitor, these events became more defined as time went on.Trained judges examine each vehicle thoroughly and in its entirety. They rate each and every component. Only those vehicles that are perfect examples are judged as Concours quality, and are considered eligible for a class trophy.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2021-06-29 14:46:05 GMT)
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Also, further down, in the same piece:
Dr. Cy Conrad, Chief Judge, La Jolla Concours d’Elegance:
According to Webster, “Concours” comes from the French, and means “a crowd or confluence of things; also a park promenade.” The term conjures up romantic visions of beautiful women in haute couture in a park-like setting surrounded by sparkling coaches, glistening groomed horses, gorgeous flowers, champagne, fine art and sculpture, and later, by the finest automotive art.
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It continues:
Man, being the perpetual competitor, has generally sought to triumph. Civilized chivalry, combined with grandeur, became the prevailing spirit of the Concours d’Elegance. Originating in the late 17th century, the early Concours was a leisurely social affair where light-hearted competitions among coaches and fashions were rewarded with rosettes, wine and champagne. As coaches and carriages segued into automobiles in the late 19th century, the competitions became more defined. By the mid 1920s, no society season on the French Riviera was complete without a variety of organized Concours events.
As the romance of the Roaring 20s and the refined elegance of the 30s gave way to the perils of world war, we find the demise of the Concours as it gave way to the bare survival of nations. Once the free world was able to right itself and move beyond subsistence, it was the troika of visionaries Jules Huemann, Reverend Paul Woudenberg and Loren Tryon who in 1950 created what was to become the grandfather of all post-war Concours—Pebble Beach.
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Am suggesting that in couture terms it's a bit like what to wear to Ascot (i.e an event in the calendar) which e.g. is featured in Harper's Bazaar here https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/fashion/g36728518/best-dres...
cf. re Ascot Dresses also this Google Search link https://bit.ly/363EDpX
Concours d’Elegance (properly pronounced kon-koor del-i-gahns) events began over 100 years ago in the parks of Paris, the Riviera and other elegant towns of Europe. The rich and famous of European society gathered to socialize and celebrate, as unique forms of art, the latest automobiles as well as the latest of women’s fashion and design.
These gatherings were called Concours d’Elegance, which term conjures up romantic visions of beautiful women in haute couture in a park like setting surrounded by sparkling automobiles. The early Concours were leisurely social affairs, where lighthearted competitors were rewarded with rosettes. However, man being the perpetual competitor, these events became more defined as time went on.Trained judges examine each vehicle thoroughly and in its entirety. They rate each and every component. Only those vehicles that are perfect examples are judged as Concours quality, and are considered eligible for a class trophy.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2021-06-29 14:46:05 GMT)
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Also, further down, in the same piece:
Dr. Cy Conrad, Chief Judge, La Jolla Concours d’Elegance:
According to Webster, “Concours” comes from the French, and means “a crowd or confluence of things; also a park promenade.” The term conjures up romantic visions of beautiful women in haute couture in a park-like setting surrounded by sparkling coaches, glistening groomed horses, gorgeous flowers, champagne, fine art and sculpture, and later, by the finest automotive art.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2021-06-29 14:49:37 GMT)
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It continues:
Man, being the perpetual competitor, has generally sought to triumph. Civilized chivalry, combined with grandeur, became the prevailing spirit of the Concours d’Elegance. Originating in the late 17th century, the early Concours was a leisurely social affair where light-hearted competitions among coaches and fashions were rewarded with rosettes, wine and champagne. As coaches and carriages segued into automobiles in the late 19th century, the competitions became more defined. By the mid 1920s, no society season on the French Riviera was complete without a variety of organized Concours events.
As the romance of the Roaring 20s and the refined elegance of the 30s gave way to the perils of world war, we find the demise of the Concours as it gave way to the bare survival of nations. Once the free world was able to right itself and move beyond subsistence, it was the troika of visionaries Jules Huemann, Reverend Paul Woudenberg and Loren Tryon who in 1950 created what was to become the grandfather of all post-war Concours—Pebble Beach.
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Note added at 2 days 14 hrs (2021-06-30 22:51:25 GMT)
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Am suggesting that in couture terms it's a bit like what to wear to Ascot (i.e an event in the calendar) which e.g. is featured in Harper's Bazaar here https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/fashion/g36728518/best-dres...
cf. re Ascot Dresses also this Google Search link https://bit.ly/363EDpX
Discussion
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http://www.concoursdates.com/what-is-a-concours-delegance
Re-reading the question, it was fairly clear, but there was no point mentioning cars and horses, no point saying what the question is not about.
We're all very busy, and sometimes we skim-read questions.