Mar 10, 2021 03:35
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French term

Service de garde

French to English Other Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Tout navire amarré ou mouillé dans un port doit avoir
un service de garde.
Dans le cas où le service de garde serait jugé insuffisant pour ,
empêcher toute dégradation aux installations du port ou aux autres
navires, les officiers de port peuvent le faire compléter suivant 1 'importance
du navire.


It's not really clear what the the service de garde is... Caretaker, guard, night watchman? What is clear is that they're supposed to prevent damage to the port facilities, but ...
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Mar 10, 2021 11:39: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Other"

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Non-PRO (1): Yvonne Gallagher

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Discussion

mrrafe Mar 10, 2021:
Law vs other Even in recreational yachting, watch requirements can be strict from the perspective of the harbormaster or insurance company. So the question might be "Other" if you do post a watch, or "Law" if you don't!
Conor McAuley Mar 10, 2021:
"doit avoir un service de garde" > "must have CREW on watch" not "must have watch", not talking about timepieces!
Conor McAuley Mar 10, 2021:
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/de garde

être de garde loc v (être de service) (doctor)
be on call v expr
be on duty v expr
(soldier) be on guard v expr
Lara Barnett Mar 10, 2021:
Crew on watch Having friends who sail, I understood that "crew on watch" refers to the specific crew currently in action during sailing schedules, while the others are resting. Would this not be referring to security officers of some sort? i.e. it is the security officers on larger ships who take responsibilities in ports.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Mar 10, 2021:
verbal rather than nominal English tends to adopt verbal expressions where French would go with a noun. "To have someone on watch" might work well here.
Conor McAuley Mar 10, 2021:
Should be "Other" I think, and not "Law/Patents"

Proposed translations

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Selected

watch

The person is called a watch.

https://www.boatingsafetymag.com/boatingsafety/anchored-even...



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Note added at 16 hrs (2021-03-10 19:56:56 GMT)
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If the ST included a verb, I would have suggested "post" a watch.
Peer comment(s):

agree Yvonne Gallagher : quite simply. The crew members on watch (on deck, the engine room, wheelhouse)are just called "the watch"
12 hrs
Merci Yvonne, je suis d'accord
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Yes, standard term describing the person, his/her function also. It does have landlubberish "guard/watchman" overtones if berthed. However, "watch" works in either case.
12 hrs
Merci Nikki, je suis d'accord. Die Wacht am Rhein isn't about timepieces either.
agree Daryo : very convincing reference.
16 hrs
merci Daryo
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crew on watch


A watch system, watch schedule, or watch bill is a method of assigning regular periods of work duty aboard ships and some other areas of employment
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Watch_system

Watchkeeping or watchstanding is the assignment of sailors to specific roles on a ship to operate it continuously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchkeeping

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STANDING ORDERS - Yacht Captain Worldwideyachtcaptain.co.nz › StandingOrders
PDF
Crew on Watch will follow the weekend Watch routine as outlined. The Watch keeper is to be in uniform and to carry the Watch keepers mobile with them at all ...
Peer comment(s):

agree SafeTex : or some variation but this is basically it.
7 hrs
Thanks SafeTex!
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12 mins

guards

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This is the most generic term.
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1 day 8 hrs

to keep watch, to maintain watch

Look closely at the information we have. It's awkward to add this post, but I need space to explain what I'm getting at. Sorry if those having already posted consider that I am not adding anything new. I do realise that the expression I suggest includes a term already suggested. Just bear with me. Do not bear away (deliberate pun).

"Tout navire amarré ou mouillé dans un port doit avoir un service de garde.
Dans le cas où le service de garde serait jugé insuffisant pour empêcher toute dégradation aux installations du port ou aux autres navires, les officiers de port peuvent le faire compléter suivant l'importance du navire."

Apart from the standard COLREG/RIPAM rules that include provisions relating to watch requirements when underway in order to avoid/reduce the risk of collision, other watch requirements will arise in specific circumstances. The example we have here clearly sets out the situation:
- requirement for the ship to keep watch ("ship" also reads to mean the crew)
- when berthed or moored/at anchor within the harbour/port
- reason: to prevent/reduce risk of causing damage to port installations/facilities and/or other ships in the vicinity.

Therefore the ship must ensure that their watch comes up to scratch requirements of the harbour authorities. If the ship's ability to keep watch, if the ship's watch capabilities are considered to be insufficient, then the harbour/port authority will provide an extra bod or two.

The use of "service de garde" strikes me as a definition that is a little open to interpretation. I think that is an obvious choice for the harbour/port authority here. They wish to have the final word as to whether the on-board watch are sufficient. The sufficiency may be related to numbers available to do the job but it may also be connected to organisational issues or even, why not, how much the crew drink now they are finally not underway. The point is that those keeping an eye out have to meet the standard expected by the local authorities.

Bearing that in mind, it still has to make sense and com within the nautical and maritime way of phrasing this. "Watch" has to come into it in my view. This is the specific term I see used whether a vessel is underway, berthed or moored.

Authentic English ways to express this are more likely to be based on a verbal expression than a one-word match for the French. I think the French notion of "service" here can be read as meaning ensuring that someone (sing/pl) does keep watch and that a large vessel ("importance" here being to do with size, not whether ERII is onboard or not, for example) may need more people on the task than they are able to provide, or that they are poorly organised. Then the harbour authority can step in. So yeah, "to keep watch" covers that.
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