Jan 25, 2021 10:36
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punctuation, comma

English Other Food & Drink punctuation
Hi, I have doubts with the punctuation of this sentence, specially the commas. It's part of a TED talk, but there are a few places where I don't quite agree with the subtitler. I know it can be subject to interpretation, but if there's an expert that can share their version I would really appreciate it. Here's the text with no punctuation:

Many so-called designers failed miserably because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta the great Philippe Starck tried mandala some parts of it the walls were very thick and the others were thinner so when you would boil the pasta some of it would be completely mushy while part of it is too crunchy and uncooked so really wrong but they were not women from Bologna they were not chefs from Naples they were not centuries of families of grandmothers that were trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of pasta.
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Feb 24, 2021 11:13: Barbara Carrara changed "Language pair" from "English to Spanish" to "English"

Feb 24, 2021 12:43: writeaway changed "Field (write-in)" from "Types of pasta" to "punctuation "

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Discussion

Claudia Sander Feb 24, 2021:
TED subtitles Hi, Rafael.
I just checked the official TED site, and the punctuation there seems to be correct. Or at least it's better than the excerpt presented at this question.

You can check the official transcription provided by TED and listen to the talk here:
https://www.ted.com/talks/paola_antonelli_why_pasta_comes_in...

"Many so-called great designers failed miserably, because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta. The great Philippe Starck tried mandala. Some parts of it, the walls, were very thick, and the others were thinner, so when you would boil the pasta, some of it would be completely mushy while part of it was too crunchy and uncooked. So really wrong, but they were not women from Bologna, they were not chefs from Naples, they were not centuries of families of grandmothers that were trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of the pasta."
Cecilia Gowar Jan 25, 2021:
Thanks Rafael! It would be good to review the written text listening to the original published by Taña. Unfortunately I can`t do it right now.
Rafa Alba (asker) Jan 25, 2021:
Thanks Cecilia, yours seems much clearer than the one provided by TED. I think the colon is the key, and also no comma before 'while' because it means "during the same time."

p.s. Sorry still kind of new and I didn't find the English-monolingual.
Taña Dalglish Jan 25, 2021:
@ Cecilia LOL! Me too! (Mandala > yin yang shape). Thanks and stay safe.
Cecilia Gowar Jan 25, 2021:
@Taña Thanks! I had also found this, where you can see the actual shape (I'd stick to the traditional myself :) ).
https://medium.com/hellodesigner/from-automotive-design-to-p...
Taña Dalglish Jan 25, 2021:
@ Cecilia Further research shows that the excerpt appears to come from this (and that is not to say that it is any clearer or grammatical for that matter):
https://ted2srt.org/talks/paola_antonelli_why_pasta_comes_in...
Paola Antonelli: Why pasta comes in all shapes and sizes
Many so-called great designers failed miserably, because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta. The great Philippe Starck tried mandala. Some parts of it, the walls, were very thick, and the others were thinner, so when you would boil the pasta, some of it would be completely mushy while part of it was too crunchy and uncooked. So really wrong, but they were not women from Bologna, they were not chefs from Naples, they were not centuries of families of grandmothers that were trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of the pasta.

Re: "Mandala":
http://annuaireus.com/article/design-of-a-pasta/?lang=en
But it‘s not the end of pasta design, In 1987, the French pasta maker Panzani commissioned French designer Philippe Starck to design a new pasta shape for them, he called it Mandala.
Cecilia Gowar Jan 25, 2021:
Probably taken from colloquial speech and not a very clear one. No punctuation and no proper syntax in some cases.
An attempt to make it more understandable would be:


Many so-called designers failed miserably because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta. The great Philippe Starck tried mandala: some parts of it (the walls??) were very thick and the others were thinner, so when you would boil the pasta some of it would be completely mushy while part of it would be too crunchy and uncooked, so really wrong. But they were not women from Bologna, they were not chefs from Naples, they were not centuries of families of grandmothers that were (the ones??) trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of pasta.


liz askew Jan 25, 2021:
Many so-called designers failed miserably because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta. The great Philippe Starck tried but, some parts of the walls were very thick and the others were thinner so when you boiled the pasta some of it would be completely mushy, while part of it was too crunchy and uncooked, so really wrong. However, they were not women from Bologna, they were not chefs from Naples, they were not from centuries of families of grandmothers that were trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of pasta.
Taña Dalglish Jan 25, 2021:
@ Rafael ."... the great Philippe Starck tried mandala some parts of it the walls were very thick and the others were thinner so when you would boil the pasta some of it would be completely mushy while part of it is too crunchy and uncooked so really wrong ...". It is not only a question of punctuation or an absence of commas, but the text itself makes very little sense! What does "mandala some parts of it the walls were very thick" mean?
Should this be for English-monolingual instead?

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Many so-called designers failed miserably because they tried to impose a shape onto pasta. The great Philippe Starck tried Mandala. Some parts of it, the walls, were very thick and the others were thinner, so when you would boil the pasta, some of it would be completely mushy, while part of it is too crunchy and uncooked. So, really wrong, but they were not women from Bologna; they were not chefs from Naples; they were not centuries of families of grandmothers that were trying to improve on the thinness of the walls of pasta.

Main source: Jane Straus' The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation

I hope it helps. Good luck!
Peer comment(s):

neutral Yvonne Gallagher : En<> En with a Spanish heading? "Puntuación" And not particulrly accurate punctuation at all, e.g. why capitalise "mandala"? And the English is really not very good to begin with as pointed out in Dbox
29 days
Thanks for the comment, Yvonne. To capitalise "mandala" was a personal choice. Since it is a shape of pasta not as easily recognizable as others, and the speaker only made a quick and sole mention of it, I wanted the name to stand out.
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