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Sep 30, 2020 13:17
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French term

résistance linéaire

French to English Tech/Engineering Engineering (general) mechanical strength
This is the product file for a copolymer angling line, presented as being highly resistant.

A table of diameters versus kilograms is included, with the title 'résistance linéaire par diamètre'. For example, the '16' diameter (unit not stated) corresponds to 2.39 kg.

I am surprised to find few ready references for 'résistance linéaire', and have ruled out this term being synonymous with 'résistance linéique', as the latter is defined as 'resistance per unit length' (and no lengths are included in the table).
Proposed translations (English)
5 +2 linear strength
5 load capacity (also "bearable load")
4 strength (as a function of diameter)

Discussion

chris collister Oct 1, 2020:
@ Johannes ??*!! What can I say? But I'm sure even the dimmest of fishermen would understand the relationship between the strength of their line and the weight of their anticipated fish. Of course, "weight" in this context must include not only deadweight but also dynamic weight, plus the hydrodynamic forces exerted by the poor thing desperately trying to escape.
I am very happy to end this discussion.
Johannes Gleim Oct 1, 2020:
@ Chris Please forgot that discussion. Angles and Fishermen are not interested in physics, but like to know what size and weight of fishes they can catch.

I think this approach is more appropriate to solve the question.
Thomas Miles (asker) Oct 1, 2020:
Target audience? I can confirm that the target audience is recreational fishers. Anyone who has trawled through fishing blogs and forums in search of terminology will know the register is casual.
Suzie Withers Oct 1, 2020:
@chris Yes, I agree that in general, native English would not use "resistance" to mean "strength", except at the gym, where we talk about "resistance training" - that's the only context I can think of.
chris collister Oct 1, 2020:
@ Johannes Yes they are, but the point is that native English speakers would never refer to "resistance" as "strength, although they may occasionally refer to a structure as "resisting" a load. It's one of those odd quirks of language that you just have to live with.
Johannes Gleim Oct 1, 2020:
resistance vs. strength Both are identical for a line.

0.4 Dia.: 0.1mm, Tensile Strength Value: 1.9kg (Approx.)
0.8 Dia.: 0.14mm, Tensile Strength Value: 3.1kg (Approx.)
1.0 Dia.: 0.16mm, Tensile Strength Value: 4.7kg (Approx.)
https://shopee.ph/GA_100M-Durable-Monofilament-Nylon-Fishing...

Line Diameter 0.37mm / 0.015" …
• Features: 100M 0.37mm clear nylon fishing line, twined on a square shaped beige plastic spool, 10.5kg bearable load.
• High tensile and wear resistant, perfect balance of performance properties assures smooth, easy handling
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100M-Length-0-37mm-Diameter-10-5...

Anglers are not interested in knowing how high the tensile strength of the fishing line is, but how heavy the fish is that they want to catch. That's why the use the weight units.
chris collister Oct 1, 2020:
It depends on the target readership. If the readership were scientific or technical, we would expect the author to use the correct units - kg is a mass, not a force, but in Earth's gravity 1 kg exerts a force (or weight) of 9.81 newtons. Please forget about pounds - the US remains the only country that uses these antique measures. That said, monofilaments are anisotropic, i.e. much stronger axially than radially, hence "linear" (i.e. axial) does make sense. And yes, of course it means strength and not "resistance". Exactly what is meant by "strength" is discussed at length in many books on materials. In this context, axial strength is so obvious I would be tempted to omit "linéaire" entirely. Please not that "breaking strain" is dimensionless, and not the same thing at all as breaking "stress", which has the dimensions of pressure.
Kim Metzger Sep 30, 2020:
linear strength Power Steel® est le monofilament le plus solide que vous pouvez acheter. Il a été conçu sans compromis pour obtenir une résistance linéaire ultime et une résistance aux noeuds exceptionnelle.
Most stated breaking strains that appear on the label of the spools you buy are the ‘linear strength’. That is the force taken to break the line when pulled at a constantly increasing pressure without any form of knot tied within the line.
http://www.fr.ultimauk.com/mare/produits/Power_Steel.php
Johannes Gleim Sep 30, 2020:
Sorry luncalp Your link https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/breaking_strain does not give the correct term "fracture strength" and "breaking strength". This is translated by "résistance à la traction" ou "tension de rupture". See below:

Fracture strength or breaking strength is the stress when a specimen fails or fractures. A detailed understanding of how fracture occurs in materials may be assisted by the study of fracture mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracture#Strength

la résistance à la traction ou tension de rupture souvent notée Rm, qui est la contrainte maximale atteinte en cours d'essais. Voir Résistance à la rupture ;
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essai_mécanique
Suzie Withers Sep 30, 2020:
@Althea Good shout!
Althea Draper Sep 30, 2020:
America vs Europe If your target audience for the translated piece is in the USA rather than Europe, this may be important. According to this article, there is be a difference in what these strengths refer to in the USA and Europe. In Europe, we refer to the maximum or average strength but in the USA it's the weight that the line must be able to withstand.

http://www.achigan.net/articles/wiki-154-lbs kgs pe 1 2 25.h...
Thomas Miles (asker) Sep 30, 2020:
Suzie Excellent suggestion. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Suzie Withers Sep 30, 2020:
Agree Yes, I assumed that 16 meant 0.16mm too
philgoddard Sep 30, 2020:
Suzie Yes, that would mean it has a lower than average breaking strength. But I was really just trying to find out what "16" means.
Suzie Withers Sep 30, 2020:
@Phil Yes, agree with your comment - I think it means strength too. The weight doesn't quite tie up though (2.39kg does not equal 5lb 10oz)
philgoddard Sep 30, 2020:
Doesn't résistance mean strength? Linear strength? Surely if you say resistance, you have to specify what to.
From Suzie's table, it looks like "16" means 0.16 mm.
Suzie Withers Sep 30, 2020:
This link has a similar table of diameter in mm vs line breaking strain in kg - so could it be "line breaking strain"?

Not an area of expertise for me though

https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/tackle/articles/guide-...

Proposed translations

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3 hrs
Selected

linear strength

As per experience. My client used "linear strength"
linear strength - strength of the copolymer when in line
knot strength - strength of the copolymer when knotted

In your case résistance linéaire par diamètre = diameter to breaking strain ratio.

In common use you will find it as "linear strength", in formal as "breaking_strain"

It's up to you/the client if you're using formal or informal language. See ultimauk reference below

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/breaking_strain

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Note added at 9 hrs (2020-09-30 22:21:18 GMT)
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"BREAKING STRAIN
The diameter to breaking strain ratio is the true measure of how strong one line is in relation to another. Anglers are constantly searching for a line that has the thinnest diameter for a given strength; a thinner line delivering the required breaking strength gives the advantage of better presentation and lower visibility.

Most stated breaking strains that appear on the label of the spools you buy are the ‘linear strength’. That is the force taken to break the line when pulled at a constantly increasing pressure without any form of knot tied within the line.

You will sometimes see line sold stating ‘wet knot strength’. This should refer to the breaking strength of the line once knotted and submerged in water for a period of at least two hours; however there is no hard and fast rule on this. Once a nylon line is submerged it absorbs water and this water absorption reduces the knot strength between 5 and 10%. Fluorocarbon or fluorocarbon coated lines do not suffer from this as they do not absorb water."
Reference:

http://ultimauk.com/advice_centre/monofilament/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/monofilament

Note from asker:
Most helpful, thank you.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Johannes Gleim : See discussion
3 hrs
You are right. But not in this context.
agree Kim Metzger : See discussion http://www.fr.ultimauk.com/mare/produits/Power_Steel.php
3 hrs
Thank you!
agree philgoddard
5 hrs
Thank you!
agree Barbara Schmidt, M.A. (X) : agree
19 hrs
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20 hrs

strength (as a function of diameter)

In this context, only axial strength has any relevance. Anglers don't need to be told this. Again, Earth-bound anglers would understand what is meant by "kg", though it is incorrect.
Note from asker:
I appreciate your wisdom, Chris.
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22 hrs

load capacity (also "bearable load")

Fishing lines are usually stressed in tension. That's why the manufacturer only rarely indicate the tensile strength of the line, but the weight (more precisely the mass) of the fish that can be fished. Nevertheless, I would like to look at the matter scientifically first:

Ultimate tensile strength (UTS), often shortened to tensile strength (TS), ultimate strength, or Ftu within equations,[1][2][3] is the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched or pulled before breaking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength

The force measurement is used to calculate the engineering stress, σ, using the following equation:[4]
σ = Fn/A
where F is the tensile force and A is the nominal cross-section of the specimen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing

Some data for fishing lines:

Typical tensile strengths of some materials:
Nylon 101 82.7 MPa
Carbon nanotube composites 1200 MPa

Now to the subject:

"load capacity" "fishing line" Approximately 874.000 results (0.42 seconds)

• 100% Diameter- and Load Capacity guarantee in accordance with DIN ISO 2062
Item-No. | Length | Ø mm |Line-Test
3717 012 | 270 m |0,12 |1,5 kg
https://files.electronicsales.de/jenzi/public/pdfs/enu/2021D...

Fishing Braided Lines (0.1mm-0.5 mm, 4.8kg-40.2kg Load Capacity)
Diameter: 0.1 mm - 0.5 mm; maximum load: 4.8 kg - 40.2 kg
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/LPATTERN-Fishing-0-1mm-0-5-4-8kg-...

Recommended fishing line load capacity - Top 10 top seller list
• 0,55mm load capacity 45kg
• 0,6mm load capacity 57kg
• 0,7mm load capacity 68kg
https://ehrliche-tests.de/en/fishing-line-load-top-10/

Rive Power Sinking 8x Fishing Line 150m Strength 0,10 Load Capacity 7,5kg
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rive-Power-Sinking-8x-Fishing-Lin...

FreeFisher 8x Braided Fishing Line - 0.55-0.8 mm - 90kg Load Capacity - Extra-Thick

Also:

Line Diameter 0.37mm / 0.015" …
• Features: 100M 0.37mm clear nylon fishing line, twined on a square shaped beige plastic spool, 10.5kg bearable load.
• High tensile and wear resistant, perfect balance of performance properties assures smooth, easy handling
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100M-Length-0-37mm-Diameter-10-5...

Features: 100M 0.235mm clear nylon fishing line, twined on a square shaped beige plastic spool, 4.8kg bearable load. High tensile and wear resistant, perfect balance of performance properties assures smooth, easy handling. Suitable for sea fishing and freshwater fishing, ideal angling accessory for fish enthusiasts
https://www.amazon.in/Length-0-235mm-Diameter-String-Angling...
Note from asker:
Thank you Johannes.
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