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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Selbsteinnebelung

English translation:

Self concealing smoke screen

Added to glossary by sparta1978
Jun 12, 2020 01:15
3 yrs ago
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German term

Gelbsteinnebelung

German to English Tech/Engineering Military / Defense Tank tactics, panzer warfare.
(Gelbsteinnebelung sowie Einnebelung des Gegners durch Panzer IV.)

German WWII tank documents. Paragraph is talking about mine warfare, and tanks hitting mines, and using smoke and reversing as a good maneuver.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +4 (self-generated) smoke screen
3 self-shrouding /concealing smoke (screen)
Change log

Jun 12, 2020 04:06: Murad AWAD changed "Field" from "Other" to "Tech/Engineering"

Jun 13, 2020 05:07: sparta1978 Created KOG entry

May 15, 2022 01:20: sparta1978 changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1700663">sparta1978's</a> old entry - "Selbsteinnebelung"" to ""Self consealing smoke screen""

Discussion

sparta1978 (asker) May 15, 2022:
Saw your post Steffen Corrected it
Steffen Walter Jun 14, 2020:
Please ... ... correct the English glossary entry - it's got to be "self-concealing" rather than "Self consealing". Thank you.
Chris Pr Jun 13, 2020:
Good afternoon... ...I'm wondering why you've edited the glossary entry to reflect my answer rather than the one selected as 'correct'...?
sparta1978 (asker) Jun 12, 2020:
exact time May 1940,
Panzer IV variant is likely Ausf. D
sparta1978 (asker) Jun 12, 2020:
I have not heard the smoke grenades in launchers being called candles until yesterday.

Selb - excellent catch. It made a world of difference.

Proposed translations

+4
1 hr
German term (edited): Selbsteinnebelung
Selected

(self-generated) smoke screen

Nothing to do with the yellow stuff

P302: https://www.bundesheer.at/info_werbematerial/soldat/pdf/sold...

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Note added at 1 hr (2020-06-12 02:18:16 GMT)
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Alternatively smoke launcher / smoke discharge(r)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/archive/index.php/t-36966.htm...

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Note added at 1 hr (2020-06-12 02:20:32 GMT)
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aka Nebelkerzenabwurfvorrichtung (smoke candle dropping device)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/4mw459/what_is_...
Note from asker:
You and Chris worked to give good answers. Thank you!
Peer comment(s):
agree Adrian MM. : you beat me to it: „Die Nebelwurfanlage ermöglicht durch Verschießen von Nebelwurfkörpern die Selbsteinnebelung des Kampfpanzers, um ihn erforderlichenfalls rasch der Feindsicht zu entziehen.“ // And complains about others being 'out of their depth'
16 mins
Thanks. The other contributor seems to have removed his original suggestion (sulphuric-yellow smoke) and come up with a rephrase.
agree Catriona C.
5 hrs
neutral Chris Pr : smoke launcher / candle dropper...? are you sure about this...?
13 hrs
Certainly more sure than your first suggestion - since hidden - that this was something to do with sulphur (Gelbstein). Hilarious!
agree Ramey Rieger (X) : Blowing hot and cold?
13 hrs
Just hot at the moment
agree Clive Phillips
15 hrs
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
2 hrs
German term (edited): Selbsteinnebelung

self-shrouding /concealing smoke (screen)

To mean a shrouding of one's own troops from the enemy...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-12 03:43:51 GMT)
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"Während des Feuerkampfes kann die Verwendung der Mehrfachwurfanlage zur Selbsteinnebelung des Schützenpanzers notwendig sein."
https://www.virtuelle-panzergrenadierbrigade37.de/index.php/...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-12 03:54:02 GMT)
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"A smoke grenade is a canister-type grenade used as a signaling device, target or landing zone marking device, or as a screening device for unit movements."
"...comes from the military usage of smoke grenades to obscure and conceal movement."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_grenade

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-12 03:58:40 GMT)
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Self-shrouding, -concealing, -screening, -obscuring... and so on.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-12 04:04:09 GMT)
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From the same Wikipedia link above:
"Smoke grenades are used for several purposes. The primary use is the creation of smoke screens for concealment and the signalling of aircraft."

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Note added at 19 hrs (2020-06-12 20:22:38 GMT)
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To my mind, at least, the phrase reads more like:

'Selbsteinnebelung sowie Einnebelung des Gegners....'

"Self-concealing as well as enemy-shrouding smoke screens..". (or similar{

But others obviously don't appear to see it that way... :)

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Note added at 19 hrs (2020-06-12 20:32:58 GMT)
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In other words, the actual purpose of the smoke screens rather than how, or with which equipment, they are created...
But, yes, a bit different to yellow smoke...
Note from asker:
Good try Chris. It gave me a lot of trouble as it was in Gothic and I misread it.
Your second answer is strong. Good job sticking with it.
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