Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
we got down to hard pan
Spanish translation:
a la hora de la verdad
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Ma.Elena Carrión de Medina
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we got down to hard pan
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Hello.
I´d appreciate your help.
This is a history book from the time of President Roosevelt (USA).
Roosevelt understood from the start that leadership had to be earned; it was not something to be granted by rank or title. The frontiersmen who made up the majority of the regiment were individualists, possessed of a disparaging attitude toward entitlement and hierarchy. As he had learned on the cattle drives in the Dakotas, being the one who issues orders and pays wages was not sufficient to becoming a bona fide boss; he had to lead by sharing his life with the men, by his own willingness to do anything he asked them to do, by never asking them to suffer anything he wouldn’t suffer first. “When we got down to hard pan, we all, officers and men, fared exactly alike as regards both shelter and food,” Roosevelt later wrote.
Grumbling ceased “when all alike slept out in the open.” The crash training course which provided a formidable learning experience for Roosevelt and his men was not without mistakes on his part.
Thank you very much.
I´d appreciate your help.
This is a history book from the time of President Roosevelt (USA).
Roosevelt understood from the start that leadership had to be earned; it was not something to be granted by rank or title. The frontiersmen who made up the majority of the regiment were individualists, possessed of a disparaging attitude toward entitlement and hierarchy. As he had learned on the cattle drives in the Dakotas, being the one who issues orders and pays wages was not sufficient to becoming a bona fide boss; he had to lead by sharing his life with the men, by his own willingness to do anything he asked them to do, by never asking them to suffer anything he wouldn’t suffer first. “When we got down to hard pan, we all, officers and men, fared exactly alike as regards both shelter and food,” Roosevelt later wrote.
Grumbling ceased “when all alike slept out in the open.” The crash training course which provided a formidable learning experience for Roosevelt and his men was not without mistakes on his part.
Thank you very much.
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Chema Nieto Castañón
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a la hora de la verdad
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Comment: "Thank you!"
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cuando nos encontramos en duras condiciones
figurative language for difficult conditions
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cuando nos topamos con las peores dificultades
Cuando nos topamos con las peores dificultades.
Cuando llegamos a lo más bajo/duro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardpan
Cuando llegamos a lo más bajo/duro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardpan
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a la hora de la acción
Estoy de acuerdo con las interpretaciones de todos los compañeros, pero en este contexto concreto de tipo militar creo que "acción" encaja muy bien.
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cuando nos enfrentamos a la cruda realidad
... pisando de pies en tierra...
https://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/hardpan
the fundamental or basic aspect of anything; solid foundation; underlying reality:
En especial "the underlying reality", pero la "cruda realidad", "la realidad desnuda" en la que capitanes y soldados rasos tienen que dormir al raso, sin distinción de rango...
Mi padre no luchó en la Guerra Civil Española como parte de "la quinta del biberón", sino como parte de "la quinta del chupete"... A sus 16 añitos luchó por la República en el 39, y luego tuvo que hacer 3 años de mili con el caudillo victorioso...
Tuvo que enfrentar la realidad de seguir marchando sin comer durante días, y esas épocas duras que le dejan a uno con un amargo recuerdo, y la alegría de haberlas sobrevivido...
No hay nada como haber tenido un padre equivalente a un "Abuelo Cebolleta"... ;-)
Saludos cordiales.
https://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/hardpan
the fundamental or basic aspect of anything; solid foundation; underlying reality:
En especial "the underlying reality", pero la "cruda realidad", "la realidad desnuda" en la que capitanes y soldados rasos tienen que dormir al raso, sin distinción de rango...
Mi padre no luchó en la Guerra Civil Española como parte de "la quinta del biberón", sino como parte de "la quinta del chupete"... A sus 16 añitos luchó por la República en el 39, y luego tuvo que hacer 3 años de mili con el caudillo victorioso...
Tuvo que enfrentar la realidad de seguir marchando sin comer durante días, y esas épocas duras que le dejan a uno con un amargo recuerdo, y la alegría de haberlas sobrevivido...
No hay nada como haber tenido un padre equivalente a un "Abuelo Cebolleta"... ;-)
Saludos cordiales.
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Chema Nieto Castañón
: Me gusta. Igual que tus historias del "abuelo" cebolleta ;)
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Gracias, Chema. Buen domingo. (Mi padre se marchó antes de acabar su novela de "La quinta del chupete"... y la verdad es que no hemos tenido mucho tiempo de revisar todos sus papeles y ordenadores. Habrá historias ahí que no creo que lleguen a publicarse
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Victoria Frazier
: Como decimos en México, "o todos coludos, o todos rabones". Saluditos, John!
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(Cuando) nos centrábamos en lo básico/las cosas esenciales
I think this is pure US-American slang. My interpretation of the query term is different to those already posted. I think F.D. Roosevelt was using the phrasal verb “get down” together with “hard-pan” in a figurative sense expression to mean “when it came to the basic/essential/fundamental things,” “we all, officers and men, fared (…)”.
Please see here:
https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/gpk573y
hard-pan n.
[SE hardpan, hard compacted soil or subsoil]
the most basic part of something; thus get down to hard-pan, to get down to basics, to come down to fundamentals.
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I have to correct something important: The quote from your book is not from F.D. Roosevelt, but from Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt (1858-1919). He was describing his experiences in Cuba with the so-called Rough Riders, the nickname given to the 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry, a regiment raised in 1898 to intervene in the Spanish–American War in Cuba.
My interpretation of the expression remains exactly the same though, but I apologize for this confusion.
Please see here:
https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/gpk573y
hard-pan n.
[SE hardpan, hard compacted soil or subsoil]
the most basic part of something; thus get down to hard-pan, to get down to basics, to come down to fundamentals.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2019-08-24 08:09:45 GMT)
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I have to correct something important: The quote from your book is not from F.D. Roosevelt, but from Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt (1858-1919). He was describing his experiences in Cuba with the so-called Rough Riders, the nickname given to the 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry, a regiment raised in 1898 to intervene in the Spanish–American War in Cuba.
My interpretation of the expression remains exactly the same though, but I apologize for this confusion.
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Chema Nieto Castañón
: Sí, creo que esa es la idea; al encarar lo fundamental. Menos literalmente, "en los momentos decisivos ...
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Gracias, Chema.
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Cuando afrontamos situaciones extremas
(...de alimento y cobijo...) infiero yo, por sus propias palabras en su "Autobiografía" cuyo enlace adjunto.
Un saludo.
Un saludo.
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Reference:
En los momentos decisivos
The Hard Pan of the Matter Junior Clerk to a Big Office—The Book keeper. A Balance Sheet of Advantages and Disadvantages.
Here you are, 16 years old, just from school, and ready to start out for yourself. Have you ever got down to hard pan? What are you going to do next? Going into business—going to work? What comes first? The hard pan of the matter is just here—what can you do?
Read, write, and do short sums. Reading! No money in that unless you mean to be a public reader, and that means a beautiful voice and years of training and study. Writing and arithmetic! Why, everybody can do that There isnt a cent in such things. Then what was the use of learning these things? Because they are the hard pan of every art, trade, business and profession, and while they will not bring wages, you cannot get good wages without them.
https://newspapers.library.in.gov/cgi-bin/indiana?a=d&d=SEM1...
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Hard pan, fig., el quid, lo fundamental, el meollo; ¿alguna vez te has enfrentado al / has abordado el meollo de la cuestión?
When we got down to hard pan; en los momentos decisivos; a la hora de la verdad. Más literalmente, al encarar lo fundamental.
Here you are, 16 years old, just from school, and ready to start out for yourself. Have you ever got down to hard pan? What are you going to do next? Going into business—going to work? What comes first? The hard pan of the matter is just here—what can you do?
Read, write, and do short sums. Reading! No money in that unless you mean to be a public reader, and that means a beautiful voice and years of training and study. Writing and arithmetic! Why, everybody can do that There isnt a cent in such things. Then what was the use of learning these things? Because they are the hard pan of every art, trade, business and profession, and while they will not bring wages, you cannot get good wages without them.
https://newspapers.library.in.gov/cgi-bin/indiana?a=d&d=SEM1...
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Hard pan, fig., el quid, lo fundamental, el meollo; ¿alguna vez te has enfrentado al / has abordado el meollo de la cuestión?
When we got down to hard pan; en los momentos decisivos; a la hora de la verdad. Más literalmente, al encarar lo fundamental.
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