Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Oct 21, 2018 13:31
5 yrs ago
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German term
Holzungen
German to English
Law/Patents
Forestry / Wood / Timber
in an inheritance matter
In a last will someone bequeathes shares in "Ackerland, Forsten und Holzungen". I would translate it as "arable land, forests and groves". Any other suggestions? This is a set phrase, but I haven't found an appropriate translation. Your help is much appreciated.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +5 | woodland | Yorkshireman |
5 -1 | wood or groves (tree population) | Johannes Gleim |
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Proposed translations
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woodland
Agricultural land, forestry and woodlands - can also include plantations and coppices
Arable land is only for crops
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Woodland is used in British woodland management to mean tree-covered areas which arose naturally and which are then managed, while forest is usually used in the British Isles to describe plantations, usually more extensive, or hunting Forests, which are a land use with a legal definition and may not be wooded at all. The term ancient woodland is used in British nature conservation to refer to any wooded land that has existed since 1600, and often (though not always) for thousands of years, since the last Ice Age[
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Arable land is able to be ploughed and planted with crops, as opposed to pasturable land, which is used for grazing. Both are agricultural land.
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Note added at 28 mins (2018-10-21 13:59:51 GMT)
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Forestry = land covered by trees - aka forests.
Coppicing is a particular way of using woodland:
http://www.countrysideinfo.co.uk/woodland_manage/coppice.htm
Types of woodland include: copses, woods, thickets, coppices and groups of trees such as orchards, plantations and spinneys.
"Holt" in place names usually also refers to woodland (as does "Holz" in German)
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https://www.charteredforesters.org/event/icf-rics-woodland-c...
The Institute of Chartered Foresters (ICF) is also a chartered body with a public interest remit. It has 775 Chartered Forester members. ICF regulates and promotes** forestry** and arboriculture to ensure the sustainable development of forests, **woodlands** and trees in the UK.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/royal-institute-of-chartered-su...
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2018-10-22 20:41:09 GMT)
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Building a Name - The History of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS)
RICS promotes and enforces the highest professional qualifications and standards in the development and management of land, real estate, construction and infrastructure. Our name promises the consistent delivery of standards - bringing confidence to the markets we serve. We accredit 118,000 professionals and any individual or firm registered with RICS is subject to our quality assurance. Their expertise covers property valuation and management; the costing and leadership of construction projects; the development of infrastructure; and the management of natural resources, such as mining, farms and **woodland**.
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2018-10-22 20:47:21 GMT)
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Just found this in my notes from the course with Mr. Webb, our lecturer on valuation - note that the terms woodland AND woodlands are both used
When a farm contains commercial **woodlands**, where the timber is grown for sale, these must be valued separately. This value is a combination of the value of the land on which the timber is standing plus the value of the timber itself. Such a valuation is a highly specialised activity and the value will depend on the size, age and type of timber present.
Any sporting rights or **commercial woodlands** would normally be valued separately to the land, using the comparison method if possible. Specialised buildings on the farmland may have to be valued using the Depreciated Cost Replacement method rather than by comparison.
Arable land is only for crops
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Note added at 13 mins (2018-10-21 13:45:09 GMT)
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Woodland is used in British woodland management to mean tree-covered areas which arose naturally and which are then managed, while forest is usually used in the British Isles to describe plantations, usually more extensive, or hunting Forests, which are a land use with a legal definition and may not be wooded at all. The term ancient woodland is used in British nature conservation to refer to any wooded land that has existed since 1600, and often (though not always) for thousands of years, since the last Ice Age[
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Note added at 15 mins (2018-10-21 13:47:07 GMT)
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Arable land is able to be ploughed and planted with crops, as opposed to pasturable land, which is used for grazing. Both are agricultural land.
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Note added at 28 mins (2018-10-21 13:59:51 GMT)
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Forestry = land covered by trees - aka forests.
Coppicing is a particular way of using woodland:
http://www.countrysideinfo.co.uk/woodland_manage/coppice.htm
Types of woodland include: copses, woods, thickets, coppices and groups of trees such as orchards, plantations and spinneys.
"Holt" in place names usually also refers to woodland (as does "Holz" in German)
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2018-10-22 20:37:01 GMT)
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https://www.charteredforesters.org/event/icf-rics-woodland-c...
The Institute of Chartered Foresters (ICF) is also a chartered body with a public interest remit. It has 775 Chartered Forester members. ICF regulates and promotes** forestry** and arboriculture to ensure the sustainable development of forests, **woodlands** and trees in the UK.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/royal-institute-of-chartered-su...
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2018-10-22 20:41:09 GMT)
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Building a Name - The History of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS)
RICS promotes and enforces the highest professional qualifications and standards in the development and management of land, real estate, construction and infrastructure. Our name promises the consistent delivery of standards - bringing confidence to the markets we serve. We accredit 118,000 professionals and any individual or firm registered with RICS is subject to our quality assurance. Their expertise covers property valuation and management; the costing and leadership of construction projects; the development of infrastructure; and the management of natural resources, such as mining, farms and **woodland**.
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2018-10-22 20:47:21 GMT)
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Just found this in my notes from the course with Mr. Webb, our lecturer on valuation - note that the terms woodland AND woodlands are both used
When a farm contains commercial **woodlands**, where the timber is grown for sale, these must be valued separately. This value is a combination of the value of the land on which the timber is standing plus the value of the timber itself. Such a valuation is a highly specialised activity and the value will depend on the size, age and type of timber present.
Any sporting rights or **commercial woodlands** would normally be valued separately to the land, using the comparison method if possible. Specialised buildings on the farmland may have to be valued using the Depreciated Cost Replacement method rather than by comparison.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Björn Vrooman
: See p. 5: https://www.barnett-waddingham.co.uk/media/filer_public/66/6... Note of caution, though: I've seen "Wildäcker" (i.e., pasturable) excluded in some cases, so arable may be OK.
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Thanks Björn - Yes, agricultural land (or farmland) are, I think, safer bets if it is not known precisely whether arable, meadowland, or grazing land is meant
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agree |
Regina Eichstaedter
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THX
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agree |
Kevin Fulton
: Works in AE as well.
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Good to know. Thanks
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agree |
Andrea Garfield-Barkworth
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Thanks Andrea
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Johannes Gleim
: "Holzung" does not refer to forest or woodland areas like "Ackerland" "Forsten", but to groves. // I missed your definition and a reliable translation source for "Holzung". You have many supporters but no translation ref.
1 day 1 hr
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There is also such a thing as professional/educational experience.
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Kim Metzger
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Thanks Kim
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Lancashireman
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Thanks
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "The term "Holzung" isn't even mentioned in the German BWaldG (Federal Forest Act), so that was a difficult one. I chose Yorkshireman's answer because of the definitions he provided for the terms 'forest' and 'woodland'. Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion."
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1 day 1 hr
wood or groves (tree population)
Sehr seltener Ausdruck (veraltet)
Holzung, die
Wortart: Substantiv, feminin
Gebrauch: veraltend
Bedeutungsübersicht
1. das Holzen (1)
2. Baumbestand, Gehölz
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Holzung
Abholzen
Bedeutungsübersicht
1. (Bäume) in einem Gebiet fällen
2. ein Gebiet durch Kahlschlag seines Baumbestandes berauben
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/abholzen
Siehe auch https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/holzen#b2-Bedeutung-1
Im Sinne von Baumbestand, Gehölz ist es wie folgt zu übersetzen:
tree population der Baumbestand Pl.: die Baumbestände
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Baumbestand
bosk das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
grove das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
wood das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Gehölz
grove is also good
grove das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
grove der Hain Pl.: die Haine
grove die Baumgruppe Pl.: die Baumgruppen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/groves
but woodland has a different meaning:
woodland das Waldgebiet Pl.: die Waldgebiete
woodland das Waldland kein Pl.
woodland die Waldung Pl.: die Waldungen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/woodland
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Da ich soeben das Fehlen von zuverlässigen Übersetzungsquellen und Definitionen für "Holzung = woodland" bemängelte, hier eine für "Holzung = small wood":
Holzung f small forest, small wood
(Gelbich, Fachwörterbuch Architektur und Bauwesen)
und weitere:
holt [archaic] [wood, grove, copse]
. Wäldchen {n}for.
. Gehölz {n}
. Hain {m} [geh.]
[grove of woods along river's edge]
. Auenwäldchen {n}geogr.
(small) wood [grove]
. Holzung {f} [veraltend] [Gehölz, Wäldchen, Wald
https://www.dict.cc/english-german/[grove].html
(small) wood [grove] Holzung {f} [veraltend] [Gehölz, Wäldchen, Wald]
https://www.dict.cc/?s=Holzung
... with large trees and underwood, a forest; on the contrary in other places only a small extent of woody ground, a grove, thicket etc. V. also Gehölz and Holzung.
https://books.google.de/books?id=TgZJAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=P...
(aus 1809)
Holzung f.pl. = en, wood, forest
https://books.google.de/books?id=ngdJAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA225&l...
(aus 1841)
Klanzei „Die Fläche hinter dem Hintergiebel des Hauses hiess früher Klanzei, an sie schliesst sich geöhnlich ein Stück Land, meistens eine Wiese oder eine kleinze Holzung, bisweilen auch ein Garten oder Acker, das ehedem Prising genannt wurde.“
Landeskunde 1890
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
ING … In G. it is sometimes changed into ung, as Waldung, woodland ; Holzung, a district, field, region with wood ;
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/richard-stephen-charno...
Also Waldung = woodland, Holzung = a field with wood.
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How are the terms "grove", "wood" and "woodland" defined by Merriam-Webster?
grove noun
\ˈgrōv\
Definition of grove
(Entry 1 of 2)
1 : a small wood without underbrush a picnic grove
2 : a planting of fruit or nut trees
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grove
wood
noun
\ˈwu̇d \
Definition of wood
(Entry 1 of 6)
1a : the hard fibrous substance consisting basically of xylem that makes up the greater part of the stems, branches, and roots of trees or shrubs beneath the bark and is found to a limited extent in herbaceous plants
b : wood suitable or prepared for some use (such as burning or building)
2a : a dense growth of trees usually greater in extent than a grove and smaller than a forest —often used in pl. but singular or plural in construction
b : woodland
3a : something made of wood
b : a golf club having a thick wooden head also : a golf club having a similar head made of metal
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wood
woodland noun
wood·land | \ˈwu̇d-lənd,
Definition of woodland –land \
(Entry 1 of 3)
: land covered with woody vegetation : timberland, forest
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woodland
I conclude that all items named above can be bequeathed to any heir/successor. It goes without saying that any grove or wood is delimited cadastrally.
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Some samples, how grove is used in the context of registers of real estate or properties:
In accordance with Act No. 582/2004, §6, municipal taxes and fees for public waste and small building waste, the following types of lands are defined:
A. Arable soil, vineyards, hop fields, fruit groves
B. Grass plots
C. Gardens
D. Forest plots available for management
E. Fishing ponds and other waters utilized for management
F. Residential areas and courtyards
G. Building plots
H. Other areas except for building plots
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&client=firefox-b-a...
On the other hand, the western slopes of Mount Teiolo are shown as being without tree-cover, and the 1820 maps show no trace of the sweet chestnut grove recorded by the Napoleonic Cadastre. This omission could be a surveying error by the cartographer or it could be due to the interpretive decision that the sparsely wooded sweet chestnut grove, which produces fodder, is assimilated as pasture, or gerbido, a term that does not exclude the presence so scattered trees, In any case, the sweet chestnut grove reappears in the 1852 edition of the Bran Carta degli Stati Sardi in Teffaferma at a scale of 1:60,000 (Figure 15.3(c)), in which the vegetational covers was probably described using the data from both the 1820 survey and the 1812 cadastre.
https://books.google.de/books?id=s88vzd9PwkkC&pg=PA183&lpg=P...
According to The Constitution and The Forest Law, 2/B Areas are:
a) the lands which lost the forest characteristic before 31.12.1981 in the concept of science
b) agricultural areas such as field, vineyard, garden, orchard, olive grove, hazelnut area, peanut area in the forest boundary, or
c) the lands in the forest boundary that are useful for livestock such as pasture, sheltered place, mountain pasture,
d) settlement areas in the forest boundary which have the city, small town and village structures
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Table 6.1 Hierarchic levels and classes of proposed land use/cover classification system
I level classes | II level classes | III level classes
Agricultural land
| Cultivated agricultural | Fertile |Protected |Garden
| Planted/Perennial agriculture |Vineyard |Orchard |Olive grove |Other planted
| Grassland/Pasture |Grassland...
https://books.google.de/books?id=h89cDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA...
This is a large parcel of land! A coastal road bisects the property. Below the road is non-building area which can be improved but not built upon and has sea frontage. Above the road is a large building parcel of approx. 1.300 m2 and this building parcel already has a stone fishing house of approx. 50 m2 with includes a terrace. The stone house is officially marked in the cadastre records. The remaining land of approx. 10.000 m2 consists of olives groves; it’s beautiful!
http://www.marcopoloblato.com/en/building-land/property/2567...
Similar results can surely be found for (small) wood as well, but I am tired to convince peers, don't like being convinced.
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Wie nachfolgend zu sehen, wird der Begriff "Holzung" auch als Kurzform für "Abholzung" verwendet:
Das Kohlenbrennen galt als Gewerbe und der Köhler als Handwerker wie etwa der Wagner und Aschenbrenner. Doch war die Köhlerei allen anderen Handwerken untergeordnet und von keiner grösseren Ausdehnung, da die Produktion in der Regel dem Markt entsprechen musste und die Kohlenausfuhr oft verboten war. Sie galt vielfach nur als das geeignete Mittel zur Abholzung abgelegener Wälder.
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Auf den 1. Dezember 1941 schliesslich erfolgte die Rationierung von Holzkohle und Karbid. Die überaus rege Nachfrage nach Holz konnte nur gedämpft werden, indem die Regierung 1944 ausser der normalen Holzung in den Gemeinde- und Privatwäldern ein zusätzliches Quantum von 5406 Ster Brennholz und 300 Ster Gasholz bewilligte.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Dieser Sinn ist im Kontext aber nicht gegeben. Hier geht es nicht um Abholzen, sondern um einen bewaldeten Strich Land, Gehölz oder Hain.
Holzung, die
Wortart: Substantiv, feminin
Gebrauch: veraltend
Bedeutungsübersicht
1. das Holzen (1)
2. Baumbestand, Gehölz
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Holzung
Abholzen
Bedeutungsübersicht
1. (Bäume) in einem Gebiet fällen
2. ein Gebiet durch Kahlschlag seines Baumbestandes berauben
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/abholzen
Siehe auch https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/holzen#b2-Bedeutung-1
Im Sinne von Baumbestand, Gehölz ist es wie folgt zu übersetzen:
tree population der Baumbestand Pl.: die Baumbestände
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Baumbestand
bosk das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
grove das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
wood das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Gehölz
grove is also good
grove das Gehölz Pl.: die Gehölze
grove der Hain Pl.: die Haine
grove die Baumgruppe Pl.: die Baumgruppen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/groves
but woodland has a different meaning:
woodland das Waldgebiet Pl.: die Waldgebiete
woodland das Waldland kein Pl.
woodland die Waldung Pl.: die Waldungen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/woodland
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Da ich soeben das Fehlen von zuverlässigen Übersetzungsquellen und Definitionen für "Holzung = woodland" bemängelte, hier eine für "Holzung = small wood":
Holzung f small forest, small wood
(Gelbich, Fachwörterbuch Architektur und Bauwesen)
und weitere:
holt [archaic] [wood, grove, copse]
. Wäldchen {n}for.
. Gehölz {n}
. Hain {m} [geh.]
[grove of woods along river's edge]
. Auenwäldchen {n}geogr.
(small) wood [grove]
. Holzung {f} [veraltend] [Gehölz, Wäldchen, Wald
https://www.dict.cc/english-german/[grove].html
(small) wood [grove] Holzung {f} [veraltend] [Gehölz, Wäldchen, Wald]
https://www.dict.cc/?s=Holzung
... with large trees and underwood, a forest; on the contrary in other places only a small extent of woody ground, a grove, thicket etc. V. also Gehölz and Holzung.
https://books.google.de/books?id=TgZJAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=P...
(aus 1809)
Holzung f.pl. = en, wood, forest
https://books.google.de/books?id=ngdJAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA225&l...
(aus 1841)
Klanzei „Die Fläche hinter dem Hintergiebel des Hauses hiess früher Klanzei, an sie schliesst sich geöhnlich ein Stück Land, meistens eine Wiese oder eine kleinze Holzung, bisweilen auch ein Garten oder Acker, das ehedem Prising genannt wurde.“
Landeskunde 1890
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
ING … In G. it is sometimes changed into ung, as Waldung, woodland ; Holzung, a district, field, region with wood ;
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/richard-stephen-charno...
Also Waldung = woodland, Holzung = a field with wood.
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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2018-10-22 20:08:24 GMT)
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How are the terms "grove", "wood" and "woodland" defined by Merriam-Webster?
grove noun
\ˈgrōv\
Definition of grove
(Entry 1 of 2)
1 : a small wood without underbrush a picnic grove
2 : a planting of fruit or nut trees
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grove
wood
noun
\ˈwu̇d \
Definition of wood
(Entry 1 of 6)
1a : the hard fibrous substance consisting basically of xylem that makes up the greater part of the stems, branches, and roots of trees or shrubs beneath the bark and is found to a limited extent in herbaceous plants
b : wood suitable or prepared for some use (such as burning or building)
2a : a dense growth of trees usually greater in extent than a grove and smaller than a forest —often used in pl. but singular or plural in construction
b : woodland
3a : something made of wood
b : a golf club having a thick wooden head also : a golf club having a similar head made of metal
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wood
woodland noun
wood·land | \ˈwu̇d-lənd,
Definition of woodland –land \
(Entry 1 of 3)
: land covered with woody vegetation : timberland, forest
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woodland
I conclude that all items named above can be bequeathed to any heir/successor. It goes without saying that any grove or wood is delimited cadastrally.
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Note added at 1 day 20 hrs (2018-10-23 10:12:42 GMT)
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Some samples, how grove is used in the context of registers of real estate or properties:
In accordance with Act No. 582/2004, §6, municipal taxes and fees for public waste and small building waste, the following types of lands are defined:
A. Arable soil, vineyards, hop fields, fruit groves
B. Grass plots
C. Gardens
D. Forest plots available for management
E. Fishing ponds and other waters utilized for management
F. Residential areas and courtyards
G. Building plots
H. Other areas except for building plots
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&client=firefox-b-a...
On the other hand, the western slopes of Mount Teiolo are shown as being without tree-cover, and the 1820 maps show no trace of the sweet chestnut grove recorded by the Napoleonic Cadastre. This omission could be a surveying error by the cartographer or it could be due to the interpretive decision that the sparsely wooded sweet chestnut grove, which produces fodder, is assimilated as pasture, or gerbido, a term that does not exclude the presence so scattered trees, In any case, the sweet chestnut grove reappears in the 1852 edition of the Bran Carta degli Stati Sardi in Teffaferma at a scale of 1:60,000 (Figure 15.3(c)), in which the vegetational covers was probably described using the data from both the 1820 survey and the 1812 cadastre.
https://books.google.de/books?id=s88vzd9PwkkC&pg=PA183&lpg=P...
According to The Constitution and The Forest Law, 2/B Areas are:
a) the lands which lost the forest characteristic before 31.12.1981 in the concept of science
b) agricultural areas such as field, vineyard, garden, orchard, olive grove, hazelnut area, peanut area in the forest boundary, or
c) the lands in the forest boundary that are useful for livestock such as pasture, sheltered place, mountain pasture,
d) settlement areas in the forest boundary which have the city, small town and village structures
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Table 6.1 Hierarchic levels and classes of proposed land use/cover classification system
I level classes | II level classes | III level classes
Agricultural land
| Cultivated agricultural | Fertile |Protected |Garden
| Planted/Perennial agriculture |Vineyard |Orchard |Olive grove |Other planted
| Grassland/Pasture |Grassland...
https://books.google.de/books?id=h89cDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA...
This is a large parcel of land! A coastal road bisects the property. Below the road is non-building area which can be improved but not built upon and has sea frontage. Above the road is a large building parcel of approx. 1.300 m2 and this building parcel already has a stone fishing house of approx. 50 m2 with includes a terrace. The stone house is officially marked in the cadastre records. The remaining land of approx. 10.000 m2 consists of olives groves; it’s beautiful!
http://www.marcopoloblato.com/en/building-land/property/2567...
Similar results can surely be found for (small) wood as well, but I am tired to convince peers, don't like being convinced.
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Note added at 2 days 4 hrs (2018-10-23 18:11:10 GMT)
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Wie nachfolgend zu sehen, wird der Begriff "Holzung" auch als Kurzform für "Abholzung" verwendet:
Das Kohlenbrennen galt als Gewerbe und der Köhler als Handwerker wie etwa der Wagner und Aschenbrenner. Doch war die Köhlerei allen anderen Handwerken untergeordnet und von keiner grösseren Ausdehnung, da die Produktion in der Regel dem Markt entsprechen musste und die Kohlenausfuhr oft verboten war. Sie galt vielfach nur als das geeignete Mittel zur Abholzung abgelegener Wälder.
:
Auf den 1. Dezember 1941 schliesslich erfolgte die Rationierung von Holzkohle und Karbid. Die überaus rege Nachfrage nach Holz konnte nur gedämpft werden, indem die Regierung 1944 ausser der normalen Holzung in den Gemeinde- und Privatwäldern ein zusätzliches Quantum von 5406 Ster Brennholz und 300 Ster Gasholz bewilligte.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Dieser Sinn ist im Kontext aber nicht gegeben. Hier geht es nicht um Abholzen, sondern um einen bewaldeten Strich Land, Gehölz oder Hain.
Peer comment(s):
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Yorkshireman
: Your Google search terms cadastre/grove may have revealed, for example olive, sweet chestnut and orange groves - but did you try a search with the terms cadastre/woodland/grove for cross-verification? Try them and see for yourself.
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That's true. "Holzung" is very old fashioned. Most Germans never heard of.
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Lancashireman
: grove (EN) = Hain (DE) // I hereby bequeath unto X my groves?
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Excactly, Holzung = Hain/Gehölz = grove, see all Duden refs and the 1st Leo ref.
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Pages, 64, 79, 111, 159 and 183 all speak of woodland in great detail.
The "groves" mentioned in this document are merely sporadic mentions of plantations of olives or sweet chestnuts.
"woodlot is chiefly North American; in Britain, a woodlot would be called a wood, woodland, or coppice"
I would call this type of Holzung a woodlot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlot
https://extension.psu.edu/managing-small-woodlots
And Forsten und Holzungen woodland.
In the land economy context, I think we are looking at this meaning:
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-36323-2_...
"Waldgrundgerechtigkeiten sind Grundgerechtigkeiten, welche auf Waldungen (Holzungen), d. h. auf zur Holzzucht bestimmten, mit Holz bestandenen Grundstücken lasten"
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswald
It's a shame that the limerick illustrating usage of "grove" by the award-winning writer was deleted. Unless it's a sacred grove, the Baumgruppe needs to be a grove of something: orange grove, coconut grove, mangrove grove, etc. All of these can be modernized to "stand of _ trees" or "[name of tree] stand."
There's an old saying: "All work and no play makes jack a dull boy."
A ProZ.com staffer came along to cut out and burn the underbrush that was apparently making the going tough in the woodlands.
Thanks.
BTW: for the British market, pit props were generally made from spruce that was imported from Canada.
Please refer to my 1st and 2nd reference:
Holzung
1. das Holzen (1)
2. Baumbestand, Gehölz
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Holzung
Abholzen
1. (Bäume) in einem Gebiet fällen
2. ein Gebiet durch Kahlschlag seines Baumbestandes berauben
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/abholzen
"Holzen (1)" means "Abholzen", but no "Gehölz"
See my annexe referring to charcoal piling, too. Still one word: The the "last paragraph" was not addressed to you, but to another peer, who missed in the discussion to mention essential requirements for proper translations.
Hope this clarifies the situation. If you feel still being hurt, I kindly apologizes for this.
I also don't like to see "grove" outside of a literary context.
I recently used the phrase "your stand of trees," even though it's a little clunky, since anything else in the context would have been odd or unclear.
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question117321.html
https://www.waywordradio.org/orchard-vs-grove/
Damit habe ich das geleistet, was die Grundlage für ein vollständiges Bild sein muss, und meine Schlüsse daraus gezogen. Das hätte ich mir auch von anderen gewünscht. Einsprachige Referenzen allein können keine Sicherheit bieten, weil der "missing link" fehlt. Müsste man eigentlich aus seiner Übersetzerausbildung wissen.
I do not doubt on the term "woodland" but that this is correct translation for "Holzung". Monolingual references can never prove the coincidence.
Nebenbei stützen auch keine "echten" Wörterbucher (die auch alle deskriptiv arbeiten!) die Sache mit der Waldgruppe in Englisch; Oxford nennt diese Bedeutung gar ein literarisches Mittel.
Ich weiß nicht, wer auf die Idee kommen würde, eine "grove" zu verkaufen bzw. zu vererben.
Der von mir genannte mango grove ist sicher ein Hain und garantiert kein "Gehölz".
Auch sonst scheinst du hier Sprachwissenschaften wie Ingenieurswissenschaften zu handhaben - das geht schlicht nicht. Und die Versuche, DE-EN-Datenbanken als Wörterbücher zu verkaufen, sehe ich auch nicht gerne.
Der Duden-Link ist viel zu wenig aussagekräftig. Hier ist einer:
"ein kleiner Wald oder eine größere Gruppe von Waldbäumen, welche für eine eigentlich forstwirtschaftliche Benutzung zu wenig ausgedehnt sind"
http://elexikon.ch/holzung
Darum geht es auch in diesem Link. Wie ich schon Yorkshireman sagte, ist die Unterscheidung eh hinfällig, wenn man sich diesen Link anschaut:
https://landeszentrumwald.sachsen-anhalt.de/fileadmin/Biblio...
Also landwirtschaftlich, forstwirtschaftlich und nicht-forstwirtschaftlich genutzt.
Grüße
I shouldn't, I know - but sometimes I feel I have to.
Incidentally, around 40 years ago, I was involved in research for a three-dimensional forestry project back in the UK that predated your agroforestry suggestion by quite a few years - nothing much seems to have happened since.
What I think you could do is just call it agricultural and woodland, period.
Cf.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/feff5abc-...
See also:
"Develop an agroforestry policy rather than separate agricultural and woodland policies for England."
https://www.agroforestry.ac.uk/sites/www.agroforestry.ac.uk/...
Not sure you need to distinguish here.
Best
Source: Wörterbuch der Biologie Dictionary of Biology: Deutsch/Englisch English/German
By Theodor C.H. Cole