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French term
France
Excellence, Expertise & Experience
Native in: English (Variants: Wales / Welsh, UK, Scottish, Irish, British)
Works in: French to English, English
biens d'équipement de la personne
French to English
Bus/Financial
Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
Seems to be more than just clothes and footwear.
Examples of usage here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=fL1-W770EuGMlwT...
Examples of usage here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=fL1-W770EuGMlwT...
Proposed translations
(English)
Change log
Aug 23, 2018 17:26: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "biens d\\\'équipement de la personne" to "biens d\'équipement de la personne "
Proposed translations
14 mins
Lorraine Dubuc
Canada
Canada
Native in French
&
English
Specializes in field
Canada
Related KudoZ points
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11
French term (edited):
biens d\'équipement de la personne
personal consumable products
Une proposition
Example sentence:
The personal consumable products manufactured abroad.
Peer comment(s):
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Elisabeth Gootjes
4 mins
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Thank you, Elisabeth!
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Jennifer White
: As this is for fashion, I don't think this would fit really.
1 hr
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| neutral |
philgoddard
: I don't think this conveys any clear meaning. A glass of wine is a personal consumable.
5 hrs
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Mohamed Hosni
: So wrong ,"consumable" !!
2 days 14 hrs
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17 mins
Marco Solinas
Native in English
Accurate, professional translations
Native in: English 
, Italian
Works in: Italian to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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12
French term (edited):
biens d\'équipement de la personne
apparel and accessories
This should cover it
Note from asker:
| Mohamed, please use an appropriate tone. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
philgoddard
: I think this may be correct, but you need references.
14 mins
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| neutral |
Jennifer White
: I'd say clothing, as apparel not used much in the UK. Don't know which market this is for though.
1 hr
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B D Finch
: 16,200,000 ghits for "apparel and accessories", though a mere 3,150,000 if you search '"apparel and accessories" .co.uk".
22 hrs
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Mohamed Hosni
: Very, very wrong!!
2 days 16 hrs
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Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
a person's durables/durable goods
Peer comment(s):
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Mohamed Hosni
: No" durable" at all in this term!!!
2 days 9 hrs
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durable is the technical word used by all economists
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Gareth Callagy
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Technical Translator FR/ZH-cn > EN
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK)
Works in: French to English, Chinese to English, English
personal capital goods
In an economic context, "biens d’équipement" means "capital goods" which are items (like machinery, tools, equipment, general goods) which are used to produce other things.
"Machinery, tools, buildings, computers, or other kinds of equipment that are involved in production of other things for sale, are capital goods. The owners of the capital good can be individuals, households, corporations or governments. Any material used to produce capital goods is also considered a capital good."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_good
In this textile/fashion/clothing and business context, "biens d’équipement de la personne" could be the goods/textiles used by individuals to make other textile/clothing products (to perhaps sell at a local market or online marketplace etc.)
Example of French usage in this context:
"Les tissus wax constituent des biens d'équipement pour les femmes africaines. Par conséquent, elles sont collectées selon les possibilités financières."
Source: https://www.etsy.com/listing/587483693/african-waxed-fabric-...
Example of usage:
"We are shifting from a service to a self-service economy in which we obtain more and more personal capital goods to manufacture our own value - like the computers, printers, scanners, personal digital assistants, and software that surround us as we write this book. (Our fathers and mothers had secretaries with typewriters; we have PDAs and PCs.) And we don't just obtain these personal capital goods. We must also install, maintain, upgrade, and recycle them, often integrating goods and services from many vendors, using our own time and energy."
Source: https://www.industryweek.com/companies-amp-executives/lean-s...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-08-23 22:59:10 GMT)
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Alternatively "biens d'équipement de la personne" could be used by the writer in an abstract sense to mean <b<personal skills, such as sewing, design etc., used to make a fashion product
" capital goods in the real sense, personal capital goods (skills). Moreover the production functions are known, which express the quantities produced"
Source: The Wealth of Ideas: A History of Economic Thought , Alessandro Roncaglia
"Machinery, tools, buildings, computers, or other kinds of equipment that are involved in production of other things for sale, are capital goods. The owners of the capital good can be individuals, households, corporations or governments. Any material used to produce capital goods is also considered a capital good."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_good
In this textile/fashion/clothing and business context, "biens d’équipement de la personne" could be the goods/textiles used by individuals to make other textile/clothing products (to perhaps sell at a local market or online marketplace etc.)
Example of French usage in this context:
"Les tissus wax constituent des biens d'équipement pour les femmes africaines. Par conséquent, elles sont collectées selon les possibilités financières."
Source: https://www.etsy.com/listing/587483693/african-waxed-fabric-...
Example of usage:
"We are shifting from a service to a self-service economy in which we obtain more and more personal capital goods to manufacture our own value - like the computers, printers, scanners, personal digital assistants, and software that surround us as we write this book. (Our fathers and mothers had secretaries with typewriters; we have PDAs and PCs.) And we don't just obtain these personal capital goods. We must also install, maintain, upgrade, and recycle them, often integrating goods and services from many vendors, using our own time and energy."
Source: https://www.industryweek.com/companies-amp-executives/lean-s...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-08-23 22:59:10 GMT)
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Alternatively "biens d'équipement de la personne" could be used by the writer in an abstract sense to mean <b<personal skills, such as sewing, design etc., used to make a fashion product
" capital goods in the real sense, personal capital goods (skills). Moreover the production functions are known, which express the quantities produced"
Source: The Wealth of Ideas: A History of Economic Thought , Alessandro Roncaglia
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2 days 14 hrs
Mohamed Hosni
Morocco
Morocco
Morocco
Native in: Arabic
Works in: Arabic to French, English to Arabic, French to Arabic, and 3 more.
personal equipment properties / facilities
Suggestion.
Peer comment(s):
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GILLES MEUNIER
: traduction littérale
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Comment as well!!
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B D Finch
: An extremely high confidence level for a suggestion that isn't an English collocation and certainly doesn't translate the source term. "Suggestion" isn't an explanation.// Why check a suggestion that isn't even a recognisable English collocation?
2 days 17 hrs
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You have just to check my suggestion in the context!.
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Kevin Oheix
: You're thinking of "biens immobiliers" but it has to do with products; clothing and accessories.
3 days 4 hrs
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No, that's not what I'm thinking for.
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Discussion
I don't think the terms exists in English as a useful marketing term, anyway -- what company offers everything from a pair of socks to a nice watch?
What they say in translation theory books is that each language/culture looks at the world in a different way.
But, yes, sorry, I can't award any points.
Apparel did not fit because the category is so broad and consumable did not fit because the category includes things like luxury goods (jewellery, handbags etc.) which are not here today and gone tomorrow.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Équipement_de_la_personne
https://annuaire.mandelnet.com/menu.php?N=G3
"- DIVERS, EQUIPEMENT DE LA PERSONNE / personal items, miscellaneous"
"équipement de la personne > personal accessories
http://www.romashka.pw/04_27 couts-de-l''equipement-de-qaurr...
https://www.abilityone.gov/procurement_list/product_clothing...
"dedicated to delivering over 200 different apparel and individual equipment products (...). Our clothing, textile and individual equipment items include:"
"En 2017, l’activité des industriels se replie légèrement par rapport à 2016. Le ralentissement de la consommation observé ces dernières années dans les biens d’équipement de la personne, [...]"
The text is about the French footwear industry.
Pourquoi pas "personal equipment" ?