Jul 11, 2018 11:00
5 yrs ago
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English term
United Kingdom
Savoury
English to French
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Cooking / Culinary
How would you translate 'savoury' in the following.
Globally, there are three key flavours that stand out – salty (37%), savoury (20%) and spicy (11%). While salty flavours clearly rule the world when it comes to savoury snacks, they are most popular amongst Europeans, where over 44% state it as their preferred flavour, compared to only around 26% of consumers in Asia Pacific.
Thank you
Globally, there are three key flavours that stand out – salty (37%), savoury (20%) and spicy (11%). While salty flavours clearly rule the world when it comes to savoury snacks, they are most popular amongst Europeans, where over 44% state it as their preferred flavour, compared to only around 26% of consumers in Asia Pacific.
Thank you
Proposed translations
(French)
| 4 +3 | umami |
Cyril B.
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| 3 +2 | aromatique / sucré-salé |
Kevin Oheix
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| 4 +1 | untranslatable - footnote |
Cyril B.
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| 5 | sapide |
Christine Roffi
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| 4 | savoureux |
HERBET Abel
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| 1 | piquant |
Anne Bohy
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Proposed translations
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2 hrs
Selected
umami
Pas beaucoup le choix ici... Ca ne peut guère être que ça.
Savoury = MSG = umami
"If you’re curious about what the true differences of salty vs savory are, you can put a little bit of salt on your tongue for a salty taste (obviously) followed by a little MSG for a savory taste."
https://www.msgdish.com/salty-vs-savory-how-do-your-tastebud...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2018-07-12 02:43:17 GMT)
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C'est peut-être mieux en gardant 'saveurs' (ou 'goût') dans l'énumération, avec ou sans guillemets pour 'umami', quelque chose comme
'...les saveurs salées (37 %), umami (20 %) et épicées (11 %)'
'...les saveurs salées (37 %), « umami » (20 %) et épicées (11 %)'
'...les saveurs « salé » (37 %), « umami » (20 %) et « épicé » (11 %)'
(avec 'flavours'='types de saveurs')
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Note added at 1 day 3 hrs (2018-07-12 14:44:17 GMT)
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Umami (/uˈmɑːmi/), or savory taste
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs (2018-07-12 17:00:40 GMT)
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'Savory'='umami' is technically correct but it would be a mistranslation in this context. Please disregard.
Savoury = MSG = umami
"If you’re curious about what the true differences of salty vs savory are, you can put a little bit of salt on your tongue for a salty taste (obviously) followed by a little MSG for a savory taste."
https://www.msgdish.com/salty-vs-savory-how-do-your-tastebud...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2018-07-12 02:43:17 GMT)
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C'est peut-être mieux en gardant 'saveurs' (ou 'goût') dans l'énumération, avec ou sans guillemets pour 'umami', quelque chose comme
'...les saveurs salées (37 %), umami (20 %) et épicées (11 %)'
'...les saveurs salées (37 %), « umami » (20 %) et épicées (11 %)'
'...les saveurs « salé » (37 %), « umami » (20 %) et « épicé » (11 %)'
(avec 'flavours'='types de saveurs')
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Note added at 1 day 3 hrs (2018-07-12 14:44:17 GMT)
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Umami (/uˈmɑːmi/), or savory taste
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs (2018-07-12 17:00:40 GMT)
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'Savory'='umami' is technically correct but it would be a mistranslation in this context. Please disregard.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tony M
: The whole way the s/t is expressed is pretty poor, but I can't really see anything else that could fit here.
12 mins
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Merci Tony... Indeed!
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| agree |
Alex Grimaldi
15 mins
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Merci Alex
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| agree |
Anne-Marie Laliberté (X)
2 hrs
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Merci Anne-Marie
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| agree |
Elisabeth Gootjes
: probablement le plus approprié, bien que "umami" soit également utilisé en EN-EN. Alternativement, "non sucré".
21 hrs
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Merci E :)
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| neutral |
B D Finch
: The word "savoury" predates MSG and I think that something can be savoury without being umami.
21 hrs
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Ok but 'umami' translating as 'pleasant savory taste', we might be close enough here. It's a tough one... :)
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| disagree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: it doesn't mean umami which is something else and is really not about MSG anyway// a blogger who advocates MSG is an expert on flavour? Really?!
23 hrs
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This might be a bit too categorical considering the number of sources - including wikipedia and various food blogs - who disagree with your disagree/There's nothing wrong with MSG, research it :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+2
2 hrs
aromatique / sucré-salé
C'est ce que je dirais pour parler des saveurs.
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Note added at 2 heures (2018-07-11 13:08:45 GMT)
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Parfois même "sapide" dans certains contextes où le sens est goûteux et mangeable.
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Note added at 2 heures (2018-07-11 13:08:45 GMT)
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Parfois même "sapide" dans certains contextes où le sens est goûteux et mangeable.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Tony M
: 'aromatique' might be a contender, but I think 'sucré-salé' is definitely out, as this is clearly opposing both 'salé' and (by inference) 'sucré' as well.
36 mins
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| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
: oui
1 hr
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| agree |
writeaway
1 hr
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| neutral |
Yvonne Gallagher
: yes. with Tony. Possibly sapide or aromatique but not salé-sucré.
1 day 5 mins
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11 hrs
HERBET Abel
Native in French
Graduate engineer
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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20
savoureux
suggéré
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Tony M
: The trouble is, that's a bit of a faux ami, since it really translates 'flavoursome' / And that would translate 'tasty'! This is describing what TYPE of taste it is.
19 hrs
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Alors dire 'qui a dû goût'
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1 day 5 hrs
untranslatable - footnote
Tough one...
After a bit of research I understand where that 'savoury' comes from, the bad news is it's untranslatable in FR, only way I see is an explanation in a NdT foot note... Maybe something like:
(...) salé 37 %, salé (savoury) 20 %*, spicy 11 %
*[Explanation]
In snacks, salty=savoury, 'savoury' being a marketing ploy to avoid saying 'salty' which has become a bad word. All descriptions of 'savoury snacks' found online show they're actually salty snacks, not a separate category (references below).
What happened here is that the question in the referenced study offered a distinction between 'salty' and 'savoury' and people would check either box. Something like 'Which snacks do you like ? Salty Savoury Sweet etc. In the results 'salty' and 'savoury' appear as different but in reality they're still the same category of snacks.
As we don't have that distinction in FR it's untranslatable as is.
Over the last 5 to 10 years in American English, makers of certain foods/snacks (and their marketing associates on Madison Avenue) have accomplished a brilliant “coup” by successfully replacing an adjective that is considered evil by the growing number of health-conscious people in the U.S.A, (i.e.. “salty”) with one that theretofore meant “having a pleasant taste or smell” to the vast majority of American consumers, (i.e., “savory”).
Salty snacks are now called savory snacks; salty crepes are now called savory crepes; essentially anything that isn’t “sugary” or “sweet” is now called “savory.”
https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/12292/is-the-fren...
What are savoury snacks?
a variety of products including potato crisps, corn chips/ tortillas, puffed and baked snacks, crackers, pretzels, savoury biscuits, popcorn, meat snacks, peanuts and other snack nuts.
http://www.esasnacks.eu/myths_fact_sheet_Jun2014.pdf
After a bit of research I understand where that 'savoury' comes from, the bad news is it's untranslatable in FR, only way I see is an explanation in a NdT foot note... Maybe something like:
(...) salé 37 %, salé (savoury) 20 %*, spicy 11 %
*[Explanation]
In snacks, salty=savoury, 'savoury' being a marketing ploy to avoid saying 'salty' which has become a bad word. All descriptions of 'savoury snacks' found online show they're actually salty snacks, not a separate category (references below).
What happened here is that the question in the referenced study offered a distinction between 'salty' and 'savoury' and people would check either box. Something like 'Which snacks do you like ? Salty Savoury Sweet etc. In the results 'salty' and 'savoury' appear as different but in reality they're still the same category of snacks.
As we don't have that distinction in FR it's untranslatable as is.
Over the last 5 to 10 years in American English, makers of certain foods/snacks (and their marketing associates on Madison Avenue) have accomplished a brilliant “coup” by successfully replacing an adjective that is considered evil by the growing number of health-conscious people in the U.S.A, (i.e.. “salty”) with one that theretofore meant “having a pleasant taste or smell” to the vast majority of American consumers, (i.e., “savory”).
Salty snacks are now called savory snacks; salty crepes are now called savory crepes; essentially anything that isn’t “sugary” or “sweet” is now called “savory.”
https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/12292/is-the-fren...
What are savoury snacks?
a variety of products including potato crisps, corn chips/ tortillas, puffed and baked snacks, crackers, pretzels, savoury biscuits, popcorn, meat snacks, peanuts and other snack nuts.
http://www.esasnacks.eu/myths_fact_sheet_Jun2014.pdf
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tony M
: All good points!
1 hr
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Thank you Tony ! This is actually one of the worst cases of untranslatable I've ever seen :)
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6 days
Christine Roffi
United States
United States
Native in French
Works in field
United States
Never Say Impossible
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
Works in: English to French, French to English
sapide
On parle de sapidité en gastronomie et en science. Des aliments sapides ou insipides.
Discussion
I know it is generally translated as "salé" in French (including in Eur-Lex where "savoury pie" is translated as "tourte salée") but that gives the wrong idea as far I'm concerned.
I think it best to translate it here as "pas sucré", especially when "salty" and "spicy" are also in your list!
"Umami" is a completely different thing and is left (as untranslated and untranslatable).