Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
verpflichtet sich gegenüber
English translation:
undertakes to / shall undertake to
Added to glossary by
Edith Kelly
Jun 1, 2018 03:16
5 yrs ago
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German term
United States
Quality translations German to English
Native in: German 
Works in: German to English, English to German
verpflichtet sich gegenüber
German to English
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
From a management contract
For more context: XXX verpflichtet sich gegenüber XXX, auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und XXX vorzulegen.
Ususally "verpflichtet sich" means undertake, but I don't know how to fit in the "gegenüber"
Thanks!
Ususally "verpflichtet sich" means undertake, but I don't know how to fit in the "gegenüber"
Thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +1 | undertakes to / shall undertake to |
Edith Kelly
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| 4 +1 | undertakes vis-a-vis |
Michael Martin, MA
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| 4 +1 | will/shall |
philgoddard
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Change log
Jun 8, 2018 05:35: Edith Kelly Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Edith Kelly
Switzerland
Switzerland
Native in German
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English
Switzerland
Professional conference interpreter
Native in: German 
, English
Works in: German to English, English to German, Dutch to German, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
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319
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undertakes to / shall undertake to
leave gegenüber out.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: I agree that you should leave gegenüber out, but I just think "shall/will" is better because it's more concise and you can keep repeating it.
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Phil, why neutral, I took your advise and added "shall" but "will" should not be in a contract and I have seen many contracts.
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AllegroTrans
: undertakes to; "shall undertake" is too woolly in a contract
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I agree
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you Edith."
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Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Specializes in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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245
undertakes vis-a-vis
Compare with this:
"The assignor undertakes vis-a-vis the assignee that neither the assignor nor the obligor has already given notice of set-off affecting the assigned right." https://books.google.com/books?id=wXO4nPYJQkUC&pg=PA478&lpg=...
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Or that:
"The Advertiser undertakes vis-a-vis MashDrop not to transmit any content which breaches public decency or applicable law." http://mashdrop.com/terms
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Upon request, XXX undertakes vis-a-vis YYY to generate and present a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
Or :
Upon request by YYY, XXX undertakes to generate and present a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
Upon request, XXX undertakes to generate and present to YYY a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
We can't just leave stuff out because it seems inconvenient to translate. If the author of the source text wasn't interested in emphasizing "gegenüber" she/he would have left it out in the first place. But compare for yourself - the first version is missing a nuance...
XXX verpflichtet sich auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und YYY vorzulegen.
XXX verpflichtet sich gegenüber XXX, auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und YYY vorzulegen.
"The assignor undertakes vis-a-vis the assignee that neither the assignor nor the obligor has already given notice of set-off affecting the assigned right." https://books.google.com/books?id=wXO4nPYJQkUC&pg=PA478&lpg=...
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Note added at 1 hr (2018-06-01 04:53:06 GMT)
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Or that:
"The Advertiser undertakes vis-a-vis MashDrop not to transmit any content which breaches public decency or applicable law." http://mashdrop.com/terms
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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-06-01 05:49:00 GMT)
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Upon request, XXX undertakes vis-a-vis YYY to generate and present a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
Or :
Upon request by YYY, XXX undertakes to generate and present a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
Upon request, XXX undertakes to generate and present to YYY a meaningful overview of comparable rental contracts and/or current offerings on cars for sale.
We can't just leave stuff out because it seems inconvenient to translate. If the author of the source text wasn't interested in emphasizing "gegenüber" she/he would have left it out in the first place. But compare for yourself - the first version is missing a nuance...
XXX verpflichtet sich auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und YYY vorzulegen.
XXX verpflichtet sich gegenüber XXX, auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und YYY vorzulegen.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Sorry, but I think this sounds like translation.
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Not sure about that. I am seeing a fair number of examples that don't seem to involve translation...
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AllegroTrans
: Often seen
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philgoddard
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Six languages into flawless English
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
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228
will/shall
I agree that it can be omitted - in English contracts, we don't say "X undertakes to Y to do so and so". We just say "X will" or "shall".
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XX verpflichtet sich gegenüber XXX, auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und XXX vorzulegen
X will, on request, provide Y with a representative overview of similar leases and/or current offers relating to [whatever Eigenwagen are].
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Note added at 11 hrs (2018-06-01 14:37:33 GMT)
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XX verpflichtet sich gegenüber XXX, auf Anforderung eine repräsentative Übersicht von vergleichbaren Mietverträgen und/oder aktuellen Angeboten betreffend die Eigenwagen zu erstellen und XXX vorzulegen
X will, on request, provide Y with a representative overview of similar leases and/or current offers relating to [whatever Eigenwagen are].
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: we DO incorporate undertakings in English contracts I've seen scores od 'em; one often sees both "shall" and undertake to" in the source text; I don't think it's right to subsume them all to "shall" simply on the grounds of a preconcieved idea about style
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I'm sure you have seen scores of them. But I'm also sure you've seen tens of thousands of shalls and wills, which is the usual way of expressing contractual requirements, and more concise.
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Edith Kelly
: I do not agree with "will" but with "shall"
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https://law.utexas.edu/faculty/wschiess/legalwriting/2005/05...
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Björn Vrooman
: Agree with the link you posted [mistakenly thought Edith did]. Ken Adams calls "undertakes to" ponderous while Tiffany Kemp says it "adds no value to your drafting" (and wants to use shall, as do others). Many lawyers don't seem to be good at drafting.
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Most! Thank you.
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Discussion
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