Mar 30, 2017 01:00
7 yrs ago
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French term
bordereaux de douane
French to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
I'm not sure what this means in the following context:
L’article 3 de la loi du 20 août 1996 indique que le Fonds est alimenté par des salaires de tous les fonctionnaires de l’État et de tous les employés du privé touchant plus que 5 000 gourdes ; une majoration des bordereaux de douane à l’exception des produits pétroliers, pharmaceutiques, alimentaires, les intrants agricoles et le papier, des plaques d’immatriculation et les vignettes, et des billet d’avion...
I put "customs documents" in my translation as a place holder, but I don't see how an increase in "customs documents" can supply a fund.
Article 3 of the Law of August 20, 1996 states that the Fund is supplied by the salaries of all civil servants and all private employees earning more than 5,000 gourdes; an increase in customs documents with the exception of petroleum products, pharmaceutical products, foodstuffs, agricultural inputs and paper, license plates and stickers, and airline tickets
L’article 3 de la loi du 20 août 1996 indique que le Fonds est alimenté par des salaires de tous les fonctionnaires de l’État et de tous les employés du privé touchant plus que 5 000 gourdes ; une majoration des bordereaux de douane à l’exception des produits pétroliers, pharmaceutiques, alimentaires, les intrants agricoles et le papier, des plaques d’immatriculation et les vignettes, et des billet d’avion...
I put "customs documents" in my translation as a place holder, but I don't see how an increase in "customs documents" can supply a fund.
Article 3 of the Law of August 20, 1996 states that the Fund is supplied by the salaries of all civil servants and all private employees earning more than 5,000 gourdes; an increase in customs documents with the exception of petroleum products, pharmaceutical products, foodstuffs, agricultural inputs and paper, license plates and stickers, and airline tickets
Proposed translations
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Daryo
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Francois Boye
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custom duties
only money can contribute to this "fund", so the only explanation that fits is that in their local jargon / local variant of French in Haiti they equate the form/document ("le borderau") with the tax that is being collected using that form (i.e. customs duties).
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as an analogue, think of "paying the invoice":
an "invoice" is no more than a piece of paper [or maybe not even that if it's an "electronic invoice"] so what you are in fact paying is the price for goods or services that is asked of you by the sender of the invoice.
Nevertheless, is anyone shocked and terminally baffled by the expression "paying the invoice"?
Strictly speaking it should be "paying the invoiced amount/price", no?
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as an analogue, think of "paying the invoice":
an "invoice" is no more than a piece of paper [or maybe not even that if it's an "electronic invoice"] so what you are in fact paying is the price for goods or services that is asked of you by the sender of the invoice.
Nevertheless, is anyone shocked and terminally baffled by the expression "paying the invoice"?
Strictly speaking it should be "paying the invoiced amount/price", no?
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: This is what is meant. However, it's nothing to do with its being a Haitian variant of French. This type of shortcut is used in metropolitain France too, all the time.
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Goes to prove once again than the context in which a term is used is more important that what a dictionary has to say, especially if you don't go past the first entry. Thanks!
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Ben Gaia
: French can be baffling. Not all languages are as precise as Hungarian.
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Humans are not really very rational, so unsurprisingly all languages can be baffling from time to time - the logic of language is not as neat as the logic of exact sciences. Would be too easy / boring otherwise. Thanks!
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Terry Richards
: See my discussion entry
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agree, a surcharge on every import operation is most likely the way they intend do it, in effect it's an increase in the tax rate i.e. the import duty rate. Thanks!
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Francois Boye
: Un bordereau n'est pas un droit de douane !
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the same way an invoice is not the consideration - have you read the explanation???
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AllegroTrans
: baffling, but the only answer that makes sense
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at first it does sound baffling, but when I recall the weird/silly jargon of some professions I heard at close range, not so. Thanks! [just as a sample, try to make sense of this "if you don't do the swipe, you'll lose the door"]
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Gordon Matthews
: custom duties (or customs duties?) is fine, although I think "import duties" might be better.
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for all practical purposes "import duties" should be fine but custom duties could also be levied on exported goods (theoretically at least, can't think of any real-life case). Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you. This is the translation I used."
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Francois Boye
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customs declaration forms
my take
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-03-30 02:06:03 GMT)
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https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CBP Form 6...
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-03-30 02:06:03 GMT)
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https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CBP Form 6...
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: so you paid your income tax for last year by sending a bundle of tax forms (instead of money) to the taxman?
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