Feb 7, 2017 10:16
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French term
sec. hors cons. directeur
French to English
Law/Patents
Business/Commerce (general)
Dans un extrait du registre de commerce suisse. Dans le tableau des administrateurs et organes de révisions
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| 1 | non-member secretary director |
Melissa McMahon
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Melissa McMahon
Australia
Australia
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non-member secretary director
I am sure that "sec. hors cons." = secretaire hors conseil (see entry in pdf below), and this seems to be a secretary to the board who is not a member of the board.
However, how this is best expressed in English and whether it is an established role in corporate governance, I am not sure, nor am I sure how it is best expressed paired with "director".
"44. What is the role of the company secretary (or equivalent) in corporate governance?
The company secretary is appointed by the board of directors and does not have to be a member of the board of directors.
Under the Swiss Code of Obligations, the only legal duty of the company secretary is to sign the minutes of the meetings of the board of directors. However, in practice the company secretary has an increasingly important role in the administration and organisation of the board of directors and in preparing its meetings." - http://uk.practicallaw.com/4-502-0265#
However, how this is best expressed in English and whether it is an established role in corporate governance, I am not sure, nor am I sure how it is best expressed paired with "director".
"44. What is the role of the company secretary (or equivalent) in corporate governance?
The company secretary is appointed by the board of directors and does not have to be a member of the board of directors.
Under the Swiss Code of Obligations, the only legal duty of the company secretary is to sign the minutes of the meetings of the board of directors. However, in practice the company secretary has an increasingly important role in the administration and organisation of the board of directors and in preparing its meetings." - http://uk.practicallaw.com/4-502-0265#
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companyReport....
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Works in: French to English
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Roel of company secretary
Note often a board member, but not always.
http://www.icaew.com/-/media/corporate/files/library/collect...
"The company secretary is often also appointed as a director, but does not
have to be."
I know this is a very UK specific source, but it does do a pretty good match for the CH context and is a typical function within companies in lots of countries.
http://www.icaew.com/-/media/corporate/files/library/collect...
"The company secretary is often also appointed as a director, but does not
have to be."
I know this is a very UK specific source, but it does do a pretty good match for the CH context and is a typical function within companies in lots of countries.
1 day 4 hrs
Alison MacG
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Works in field
United Kingdom
Patents and related material specialist
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, UK, British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Swedish to English, and 4 more.
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Examples
secrétaire hors conseil, directeur
Signature collective à deux est conférée à Cornuz Joël, de Chamblon, à Lutry, secrétaire hors conseil, directeur.
https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handelsregister/fondation-d-ut...
See corresponding register extract - secrétaire hors conseil directeur
https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companyReport....
secrétaire hors conseil et directeur
Signature collective à deux a été conférée à Petitpierre Laurent, de Val-de-Travers, à Les Planchettes, secrétaire hors conseil et directeur.
https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handelsregister/landi-region-n...
See corresponding register extract - sec. hors cons. directeur
http://hrc.ne.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?comp...
Re Nikki’s example: Gmünder Rudolf, d'Appenzell, à La Sarraz - secrétaire hors conseil directeur
See also - le directeur Rudolf Gmünder est nommé également secrétaire hors conseil
http://www.moneyhouse.ch/p/Rudolf-Gm%C3%BCnder
secrétaire hors conseil directrice
Berberat Sonja, de Lajoux (JU), au Mont-sur-Lausanne - secrétaire hors conseil directrice
https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companyReport....
secrétaire hors conseil et directrice
Pastore-Yersin Anne, secrétaire hors conseil, nommée en outre directrice
Pastore-Yersin Anne, de Dardagny, à Bernex, secrétaire hors conseil et directrice
http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/pp/anne-yersin
See corresponding register extract - Mégevand-Pastore Anne, de Dardagny, à Bernex - sec. hors cons. directrice
http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...
sec. hors cons. sous-directeur
Häfliger Marco, de Lucerne, à Savosa - sec. hors cons. sous-directeur
http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...
Secretaire hors Conseil d’administration
M. Francois Gatabin, Directeur des MBC
http://www.mbc.ch/pdf/MBC_profil-juillet2015.pdf
http://mbc.ch/userfiles/file/MBC-RG2015-web.pdf
Signature collective à deux est conférée à Cornuz Joël, de Chamblon, à Lutry, secrétaire hors conseil, directeur.
https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handelsregister/fondation-d-ut...
See corresponding register extract - secrétaire hors conseil directeur
https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companyReport....
secrétaire hors conseil et directeur
Signature collective à deux a été conférée à Petitpierre Laurent, de Val-de-Travers, à Les Planchettes, secrétaire hors conseil et directeur.
https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handelsregister/landi-region-n...
See corresponding register extract - sec. hors cons. directeur
http://hrc.ne.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?comp...
Re Nikki’s example: Gmünder Rudolf, d'Appenzell, à La Sarraz - secrétaire hors conseil directeur
See also - le directeur Rudolf Gmünder est nommé également secrétaire hors conseil
http://www.moneyhouse.ch/p/Rudolf-Gm%C3%BCnder
secrétaire hors conseil directrice
Berberat Sonja, de Lajoux (JU), au Mont-sur-Lausanne - secrétaire hors conseil directrice
https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companyReport....
secrétaire hors conseil et directrice
Pastore-Yersin Anne, secrétaire hors conseil, nommée en outre directrice
Pastore-Yersin Anne, de Dardagny, à Bernex, secrétaire hors conseil et directrice
http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/pp/anne-yersin
See corresponding register extract - Mégevand-Pastore Anne, de Dardagny, à Bernex - sec. hors cons. directrice
http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...
sec. hors cons. sous-directeur
Häfliger Marco, de Lucerne, à Savosa - sec. hors cons. sous-directeur
http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO...
Secretaire hors Conseil d’administration
M. Francois Gatabin, Directeur des MBC
http://www.mbc.ch/pdf/MBC_profil-juillet2015.pdf
http://mbc.ch/userfiles/file/MBC-RG2015-web.pdf
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Charles Davis
: You always seem to come up with the goods! Very persuasive examples, though I can't say I understand what it means.
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Me neither, but thanks, Charles!
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Discussion
As it stands, this term is ambiguous. Also, be careful with the term "function" which is the heading under which it falls. The term describes what a person does, not who he/she is. Bear in mind that distinction is not always respected however!
For example, "sec" may be short "secrétariat" rather than "secrétaire". The individual is probably effectively acting as a "company secretary" in the UK corporate meaning of the term. It is a senior executive position and usually a board position, although not always.
The reason why you may feel more comfortable if you get the non abbreviated terms from your client is to avoid making guesses, even educated ones, which could lead you a long way away from what is meant.
"secrétariat (sens 'corporate') hors conseil directeur"???
Could this mean that the individual carries out company secretarial duties, with the exception of board (for 'conseil') meetings? A possible, even likely reading.
Why is "directeur" singular? Is it just for economy of space? Or is shorthand for "de (la) direction"?