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Spanish term or phrase:
pensadero
English translation:
the Thinkery (Phrontisterion)
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From a text about classical philosophy and the origin of political philosophy. This section is about Aristophanes' The Clouds:
Con esta pretensión, la filosofía de nuestro tiempo transmite sus preguntas y enseñanzas desestabilizadoras a cualquiera que pretende conocerlas y se expone de esa manera a despertar confusión y reacciones destructivas como la de Estrepsíades al final de la comedia. El personaje, que se acerca al pensadero de Sócrates con esperanzas desmedidas, se encuentra perplejo y decepcionado cuando comprende que no puede servirse de la filosofía para llevar adelante sus empresas….
Is it a place? A typo for "pensamiento"?
Thanks
Con esta pretensión, la filosofía de nuestro tiempo transmite sus preguntas y enseñanzas desestabilizadoras a cualquiera que pretende conocerlas y se expone de esa manera a despertar confusión y reacciones destructivas como la de Estrepsíades al final de la comedia. El personaje, que se acerca al pensadero de Sócrates con esperanzas desmedidas, se encuentra perplejo y decepcionado cuando comprende que no puede servirse de la filosofía para llevar adelante sus empresas….
Is it a place? A typo for "pensamiento"?
Thanks
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | thinkery |
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| 4 | sanctum |
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| 4 | think tank |
Phoenix III
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| 3 | thinking place |
Robert Carter
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Dec 11, 2016 16:32: Cristina Bufi Poecksteiner, M.A. Created KOG entry
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thinkery
pensadero = φροντιστριον = phrontisterion = “ t h i n k e r y ” -- “ t h i n k . s h o p "
Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy XXXI: Winter 2006 - Google Books-Ergebnisseite
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0199204217
# - 2006 - 432 Seiten - Philosophy
... 194 a student in **Socrates' Thinkery (φροντιστριον)** says that the rumps of the other students are pointed towards the sky because each rump is learning to do ...
Safire's Political Dictionary
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0199711119
# - 2008 - Political Science
A dictionary of ancient Greek phrases includes **phrontisterion**, a term translated as “thinkery” or “think shop,” from the Greek playwright Aristophanes' The Clouds ...
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The Clouds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clouds
The Clouds (Ancient Greek: Νεφέλαι Nephelai) is a Greek comedy play written by the ... Strepsiades explains that . s t u d e n t s . o f . T h e . T h i n k e r y . learn how to turn inferior arguments into winning arguments and this is the only way he can beat their ...
OCR Anthology for Classical Greek AS and A Level
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=1474266045
# - 2016 - 448 Seiten - Literary Criticism
... P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( ' T h i n k e r y ' ) to learn how to make bad arguments appear good, and good arguments appear bad. In this way, they could avoid paying their debt.
P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( T h e . T h i n k e r y )
http://recorderofthepast.blogspot.com/p/the-junk-drawer.html
Aristophanes invented Phrontisterion as a school, run by Socrates. It is mentioned in his play The Clouds, but never actually existed. In English, Phrontisterion ...
The Ancient World: Dictionary of World Biography
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=1135457409
Frank N. Magill - 2003 - 1000 Seiten - History
To cheat his creditors, Strepsiades resolves to send the youth to . t h e . P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( T h i n k e r y ), the local academy run by Socrates, who can make the weaker ...
Hannibal and Me: life lessons from history
https://andreaskluth.org/tag/thinkery/
Posts about thinkery written by #. ... word for this kind of purposeful and moderated conversation, in his play the Clouds: a . t h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ).
Rhetoric, Comedy, and the Violence of Language in Aristophanes' Clouds
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0195361458
# - 1992 - 224 Seiten - Literary Criticism
(94–99) Of wise souls (psychai) this is . t h e . T h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ). Here dwell men who speaking about the heavens persuade (anapeithein) that it is an oven ...
Socrates and the original think tank | Hannibal and Me: life lessons ...
https://andreaskluth.org/2009/06/22/socrates-and-the-origina...
... a word for this kind of purposeful and moderated conversation, in his play the Clouds: a . t h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ). A think tank, in other words.
Oxford Studies in Ancient Philosophy XXXI: Winter 2006 - Google Books-Ergebnisseite
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0199204217
# - 2006 - 432 Seiten - Philosophy
... 194 a student in **Socrates' Thinkery (φροντιστριον)** says that the rumps of the other students are pointed towards the sky because each rump is learning to do ...
Safire's Political Dictionary
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0199711119
# - 2008 - Political Science
A dictionary of ancient Greek phrases includes **phrontisterion**, a term translated as “thinkery” or “think shop,” from the Greek playwright Aristophanes' The Clouds ...
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-12-06 19:36:03 GMT)
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The Clouds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clouds
The Clouds (Ancient Greek: Νεφέλαι Nephelai) is a Greek comedy play written by the ... Strepsiades explains that . s t u d e n t s . o f . T h e . T h i n k e r y . learn how to turn inferior arguments into winning arguments and this is the only way he can beat their ...
OCR Anthology for Classical Greek AS and A Level
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=1474266045
# - 2016 - 448 Seiten - Literary Criticism
... P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( ' T h i n k e r y ' ) to learn how to make bad arguments appear good, and good arguments appear bad. In this way, they could avoid paying their debt.
P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( T h e . T h i n k e r y )
http://recorderofthepast.blogspot.com/p/the-junk-drawer.html
Aristophanes invented Phrontisterion as a school, run by Socrates. It is mentioned in his play The Clouds, but never actually existed. In English, Phrontisterion ...
The Ancient World: Dictionary of World Biography
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=1135457409
Frank N. Magill - 2003 - 1000 Seiten - History
To cheat his creditors, Strepsiades resolves to send the youth to . t h e . P h r o n t i s t e r i o n ( T h i n k e r y ), the local academy run by Socrates, who can make the weaker ...
Hannibal and Me: life lessons from history
https://andreaskluth.org/tag/thinkery/
Posts about thinkery written by #. ... word for this kind of purposeful and moderated conversation, in his play the Clouds: a . t h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ).
Rhetoric, Comedy, and the Violence of Language in Aristophanes' Clouds
https://books.google.at/books?isbn=0195361458
# - 1992 - 224 Seiten - Literary Criticism
(94–99) Of wise souls (psychai) this is . t h e . T h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ). Here dwell men who speaking about the heavens persuade (anapeithein) that it is an oven ...
Socrates and the original think tank | Hannibal and Me: life lessons ...
https://andreaskluth.org/2009/06/22/socrates-and-the-origina...
... a word for this kind of purposeful and moderated conversation, in his play the Clouds: a . t h i n k e r y ( p h r o n t i s t e r i o n ). A think tank, in other words.
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Comment: "Thanks! I actually used phrontisterion
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thinking place
Might be what the text is referring to.
This text talks about the burning of the "phrontisterion" or thinking place by Strepsiades:
http://tinyurl.com/jax8f6d
The second act of each video takes place in The Thinking Place, a gazebo in the park populated by two statues - Socrates* and Diotima** - who come alive in the presence of anyone with a thorny problem and a good imagination.
http://www.goodcharacter.com/pp/thinkingplace.html
Phrontistery 'fron-tis-te-ree, n (Greek phrontisterion, from phrontistes a thinker, from phroneein to think)
A thinking-place; a place for study. I simply had to include 'phrontistery' on this list. It was first used by Aristophanes to apply to the school of Socrates, and was somewhat mocking in tone.
http://phrontistery.info/favourite.html
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Compare the Greek word in the following two references (note: I have very little understanding of Greek, but they seem to be virtually the same words, barring one letter):
Compare Aristophanes' φροντιστριον (thinking-place), formed on the analogy of ... In theTheaetetus, as Socrates and his interlocutors are attempting to 43.
http://tinyurl.com/j6gjjg8
Su padre va directo a la ruina y no tiene interés en pagarle a los acreedores y para eso idea un plan que lo sacará de problemas: Mandará a su hijo a estudiar al Pensadero (φροντιστήριον, palabra inventada por Aristófanes), también traducido como Pensatorio, de Sócrates, que es una especie de escuela donde enseñan, por dinero o cosas de valor, los sofistas Sócrates y su amigo Querefonte (Χαιρεφῶν) las diversas disciplinas sofísticas y especialmente el argumento justo y el argumento injusto que lo sacarán de todas las deudas al poder ganar los juicios en su contra.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_nubes
This text talks about the burning of the "phrontisterion" or thinking place by Strepsiades:
http://tinyurl.com/jax8f6d
The second act of each video takes place in The Thinking Place, a gazebo in the park populated by two statues - Socrates* and Diotima** - who come alive in the presence of anyone with a thorny problem and a good imagination.
http://www.goodcharacter.com/pp/thinkingplace.html
Phrontistery 'fron-tis-te-ree, n (Greek phrontisterion, from phrontistes a thinker, from phroneein to think)
A thinking-place; a place for study. I simply had to include 'phrontistery' on this list. It was first used by Aristophanes to apply to the school of Socrates, and was somewhat mocking in tone.
http://phrontistery.info/favourite.html
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Note added at 29 mins (2016-12-06 18:39:00 GMT)
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Compare the Greek word in the following two references (note: I have very little understanding of Greek, but they seem to be virtually the same words, barring one letter):
Compare Aristophanes' φροντιστριον (thinking-place), formed on the analogy of ... In theTheaetetus, as Socrates and his interlocutors are attempting to 43.
http://tinyurl.com/j6gjjg8
Su padre va directo a la ruina y no tiene interés en pagarle a los acreedores y para eso idea un plan que lo sacará de problemas: Mandará a su hijo a estudiar al Pensadero (φροντιστήριον, palabra inventada por Aristófanes), también traducido como Pensatorio, de Sócrates, que es una especie de escuela donde enseñan, por dinero o cosas de valor, los sofistas Sócrates y su amigo Querefonte (Χαιρεφῶν) las diversas disciplinas sofísticas y especialmente el argumento justo y el argumento injusto que lo sacarán de todas las deudas al poder ganar los juicios en su contra.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_nubes
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sanctum
Sanctum: a place where one is free from intrusión.
I think this works nicely in the context
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NB: If it's supposed to sound funny (pax Charles), then "thinkery" is better IMHO :)
I think this works nicely in the context
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-12-06 20:00:26 GMT)
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NB: If it's supposed to sound funny (pax Charles), then "thinkery" is better IMHO :)
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