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Oct 11, 2016 18:02
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English term

a kind of grooming

English to French Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Online radicalisation then becomes a kind of grooming, in which vulnerable young people are exposed to extremist views and made to believe they’re normal.
Proposed translations (French)
3 +5 une forme de manipulation psychologique
3 +3 Une sorte de conditionnement (psychologique)
4 +2 une sorte de préparation psychologique
4 unr sorte d'orientation du comportement
4 une forme d'endoctrinement
3 une sorte de mise au pas
3 mise en confiance
3 une sorte de mise en condition

Discussion

Debora Blake Oct 12, 2016:
Grooming = Preparation This is about indoctrinating people. They are "groomed", aka prepared and/or brainwashed into believing X = Y, white is black, up is down, etc.
Françoise Vogel Oct 12, 2016:
la traduction "mise en confiance" semble apparaître systématiquement à propos d'approches pédophiles.
ormiston Oct 12, 2016:
as Tony says It is proving hard to find a term. Googling "les dangers d'internet" I found a nice definition ("approches insidieuses avec de longues périodes de dialogue" and the English 'grooming' rather lamely translated as 'mise en confiance'
Alain Boulé Oct 11, 2016:
Une sorte de suggestion ?
Valérie KARAM Oct 11, 2016:
Préparation psychologique would be more like it then (as in FX's answer), but then you lose the negative connotation, because for instance, you might as well have an athlete going through a "préparation psychologique" along with a physical one to get ready for a competition. Anyway, translation isn't an exact science and you have to make (not always easy) choices.
Tony M Oct 11, 2016:
Hi Valérie Yes, that is exactly the same notion of 'conditioning' in EN — Pavlov's dogs being the classic example.

But what is missing in 'grooming' is that specific point of training them to react to a stimulus; that might of course be part of their subsequent training, but not per se inherent in the grooming process, which is more about the mindset...
Valérie KARAM Oct 11, 2016:
Hi Tony, When talking about "conditionnement psychologique", you do have a negative connotation, someone who is "conditionné" has been more or less brainwashed, can't think by himself, a bit like Pavlov's dog being taught forcefully how to react for a specific stimulus. I'm not quite sure it's the same as "conditioning" in EN.
Tony M Oct 11, 2016:
grooming although currently something of a buzzword, I have yet to encounter a FR equivalent that truly sums up the sense as it is used currently.

Of course, literally, it refers to the work of a 'groom' ('lad') whose job is to 'groom' ('panser', étriller', among others) the horses under their care.

Later, it came to have the meaning of 'looking after one's personal appearance' — something that is frequently applied to men (for whom we rarely talk about 'beauty treatment'!) And of coiurse 'dog grooming' ('toilettage pour chiens') — come to think of it, 'toilettage' would be a good term to apply to some of the guys I know too ;-)

Of course, it is also used in the sense of 'preparing for a rôle', just as a royal princess might be 'groomed' for her later rôle as Queen.

But in very recent times, with the greater exposure given to (especially) pædophilia, the term has taken on a sinister and always negative connotation of 'training' e.g. children to (sooner or) later become objects of sexual abuse; this is clearly the connotation intended in this text, and I feel it is very important to maintain the negative element in this translation.

Proposed translations

+5
9 mins
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une forme de manipulation psychologique

ici
Peer comment(s):
agree Tony M : Sadly this misses out a part of what 'grooming' connotes; I've yet to find a good equivalent for it in FR. It's more than (and to some extent different from) mere manipulation... / Like 'apprentissage forcé', brainwashing. Cf. pédophiles
13 mins
une idée de préparation à un rôle à remplir (lorsqu'il n'y a pas de connotation négative) ?
agree Jean-Claude Gouin : ou préparation psychologique ...
53 mins
agree Chakib Roula : Forme de lavage intellectuel du cerveau.
1 hr
agree GILLES MEUNIER : je dirais manipulation mentale
10 hrs
agree Annie Rigler
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
1 hr

une sorte de mise au pas

Autre idée
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+3
1 hr

Une sorte de conditionnement (psychologique)

Par exemple

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-10-11 19:32:50 GMT)
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Définition : mise en place d'un comportement provoqué par un stimulus artificiel.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : Isn't that rather the concept of 'conditioning' in EN? If so, it's not really QUITE the same thing...
12 mins
agree mchd : tout à fait d'accord avec l'usage de "conditionnement psychologique"
1 hr
Medrci !
agree Chakib Roula : Conditionnement psychologique semble très pertinent.
2 hrs
Merci
agree Didier Fourcot : Moins positif que la préparation souvent souhaitée, moins négatif que la manipulation que je ne ressens pas dans le texte anglais et qui est souvent facile à repérer
12 hrs
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+2
1 hr

une sorte de préparation psychologique

"Un aller simple pour le paradis - Libération
http://www.libe.ma › Horizons
Le recrutement, le lavage de cerveau, la préparation psychologique ... ''Les Chevaux de Dieu'' traitant le processus de radicalisation religieuse ..."
Peer comment(s):
agree Tony M
0 min
merci!
agree katsy
14 hrs
merci!
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2 hrs

unr sorte d'orientation du comportement

suggéré
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15 hrs

mise en confiance

Ok so I'll post it. Maybe adding stratégie / tactique or the notion of insidieux
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19 hrs

une forme d'endoctrinement

une forme d'endoctrinement
ou bien tout simplement
une sorte de préparation

Someone is "groomed" meaning "prepared" for something.
Example sentence:

to get into readiness for a specific objective : prepare <was being groomed as a presidential candidate>

Reference:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groomed

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une sorte de mise en condition

Une autre idée.

Cybercriminalité: Entre inconduite et crime organisé
https://books.google.de/books?isbn=2553016476 -
Sûreté du Québec, ‎Francis Fortin - 2013 - ‎Crime informatique
décrit le modus operandi appelé « grooming » ou « mise en condition » (Berson, 2003; Krone, 2004; O'Connell, 2003), qui se définit par une série d'actions ...

sexual grooming | WordReference Forums
forum.wordreference.com/threads/sexual-grooming.2549764/

23.12.2012 - I did not know anything about this kind of grooming until the offence was reported to ..... On dit aussi : la mise en condition (à des fins sexuelles).

La « cyberprédation », un phénomène encore méconnu... - Bulletin d ...
www.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/.../la-cyberpredation-un-ph...

04.11.2013 - La mise en condition (en anglais grooming) par la séduction constitue le modus operandi de la plupart des suspects. En usant de flatterie et ...


CONDITION : Définition de CONDITION
www.cnrtl.fr/definition/academie9/condition

Mise en condition, ensemble coordonné d'actions psychologiques destinées à influencer la mentalité d'un individu ou d'un groupe.
7. Le chantage au chômage, les menaces assorties de promesses démagogiques expliquent seul le désarroi d'une population plongée dans un trouble qui a permis la mise en condition de l'électorat. Le Monde,21 juill. 1967ds Gilb. 1971.
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