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Feb 25, 2016 02:44
8 yrs ago
English term
Own
English to Russian
Social Sciences
Psychology
People are confused why Bernie Sanders won’t own his Jewishness.
Own in the sense of 'take responsibility of' or 'acknowledge ownership of'.
Own in the sense of 'take responsibility of' or 'acknowledge ownership of'.
Proposed translations
(Russian)
4 +1 | не считает себя евреем/не имеет сознание национальности/не относит себя к еврейской нации | Erzsébet Czopyk |
4 | признают | sargis (X) |
3 | принимать | Vest |
Proposed translations
6 mins
признают
признают / подтвердят -- depends on context. I would choose the first word.
подтвердят -- in the sense of confirmation
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should be признает (singular)
подтвердят -- in the sense of confirmation
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Note added at 8 mins (2016-02-25 02:53:15 GMT)
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should be признает (singular)
Note from asker:
Thanks for this. This is an okay translation, but perhaps has a passive, reactive connotation (Его обвинили в X и он признал свою вину), whereas to own something represents a more proactive, deliberate action. |
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не считает себя евреем/не имеет сознание национальности/не относит себя к еврейской нации
Own in the sense of \'take responsibility of\' or \'acknowledge ownership of\'. - no, I think not.
IMHO, own in the meaning of determining himself as
Терминология: еврей, иудей, семит.... Обсуждение на ...
www.liveinternet.ru/users/rinarozen/post219796812
Тем не менее, все-таки остается мистический вариант, ведь здесь ... Евреями считаются потомки Авраама от Сарры. Израиль, он же Иаков, .... и в силу рассудочного признания их у себя будет считать себя евреем. ... По оценке [L], "Галаха" детерминирует 10% жизни иудея: "Все самые ...
На понимание - Всеобщий синопсис или Система ... - krylov
krylov.livejournal.com/3196664.html?thread...
Их биологическая природа не детерминирует их культурную ..... он имеет сознание национальности и относит себя к еврейской нации ...
Евреи — Википедия
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Евреи
Исключение составляли караимы, не считавшие себя евреями уже в .... к еврейскому национально-религиозному сообществу — даже если он не ...
While the crowd cheered, Rabbi Michael Paley of New York was among many Jews watching the speech who were taken aback. He said he was surprised that the Vermont senator had not explicitly described his father as a “Polish Jewish immigrant,” a significant distinction given Poland’s checkered history with its Jewish population.
“Nobody in Poland would have considered Bernie a Pole,” Rabbi Paley said.
Two days later, in a debate with Hillary Clinton, Mr. Sanders referred to the historic candidacy of “somebody with my background” without overtly saying he was Jewish. That prompted the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, a news service feeding the Jewish press worldwide, to ponder, as its headline put it, “People are confused why Bernie Sanders won’t own his Jewishness.”
Mr. Sanders, those who know him say, exemplifies a distinct strain of Jewish identity, a secular offshoot at least 150 years old whose adherents in the shtetls of Eastern Europe and the jostling streets of the Lower East Side were socialists, anarchists, radicals and union organizers focused less on observance than on economic justice and repairing a broken world. Indeed, he seems more comfortable speaking about Pope Francis, whose views on income inequality he admires, than about his own religious beliefs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders...
Bernie Sanders is marching through his presidential campaign with a giant target on his back: his Jewishness. Unless the Democratic candidate begins to more publicly admit his Jewish identity (even though he doesn’t practice Judaism as a religion), it will become a huge vulnerability. If nominated, he will leave the Democratic Party susceptible to ugly smears by the Republicans, the press and conservative political action committees.
So far, Sanders has downplayed his Jewish heritage almost to the point of renunciation. In the victory speech he delivered after winning the New Hampshire primary, he said, “I am the son of a Polish immigrant.” He did not identify as “the son of a Jewish immigrant” or, even more simply, as a Jew.
And in the February 11 Democratic debate in Milwaukee, Hillary Clinton agreed with the moderators that if elected, she would make history as the first woman president. Sanders followed up by saying, “Somebody with my background, somebody with my views… I think a Sanders victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well.” For reasons he has not made clear, he is not naming his “background.”
But as the nomination process continues, it is imperative that Sanders name this background often — because you better believe the Republicans and the conservative press will, if he gets the nomination. Using oblique and coded language in small-town newspapers, and using more direct language on conservative radio, his opponents will call into question both his loyalty to America and his fundamental Americanness. For many Americans, national identity includes Christian identity. This understanding of “authentic” Americanness is rarely discussed and often not even acknowledged consciously, but I believe it remains part of the mainstream American Christian psyche, even among those who might vote Democratic.
Suggestions that Sanders is not really “one of us” could become a true wedge issue and derail the campaign.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-25 04:01:38 GMT)
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Эхо Москвы :: Особое мнение: Александр Проханов ...
echo.msk.ru/programs/personalno/976702-echo/comments.html
Dec 26, 2012 - он не первый в пересечении первым был БАБ. ...... только, с какого перепугу он себя в назначенцы наметил от ЕВРЕЙСКОГО ЭТНОСА. ...... Если национальное происхождение ДЕТЕРМИНИРУЕТ психику членов ...
IMHO, own in the meaning of determining himself as
Терминология: еврей, иудей, семит.... Обсуждение на ...
www.liveinternet.ru/users/rinarozen/post219796812
Тем не менее, все-таки остается мистический вариант, ведь здесь ... Евреями считаются потомки Авраама от Сарры. Израиль, он же Иаков, .... и в силу рассудочного признания их у себя будет считать себя евреем. ... По оценке [L], "Галаха" детерминирует 10% жизни иудея: "Все самые ...
На понимание - Всеобщий синопсис или Система ... - krylov
krylov.livejournal.com/3196664.html?thread...
Их биологическая природа не детерминирует их культурную ..... он имеет сознание национальности и относит себя к еврейской нации ...
Евреи — Википедия
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Евреи
Исключение составляли караимы, не считавшие себя евреями уже в .... к еврейскому национально-религиозному сообществу — даже если он не ...
While the crowd cheered, Rabbi Michael Paley of New York was among many Jews watching the speech who were taken aback. He said he was surprised that the Vermont senator had not explicitly described his father as a “Polish Jewish immigrant,” a significant distinction given Poland’s checkered history with its Jewish population.
“Nobody in Poland would have considered Bernie a Pole,” Rabbi Paley said.
Two days later, in a debate with Hillary Clinton, Mr. Sanders referred to the historic candidacy of “somebody with my background” without overtly saying he was Jewish. That prompted the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, a news service feeding the Jewish press worldwide, to ponder, as its headline put it, “People are confused why Bernie Sanders won’t own his Jewishness.”
Mr. Sanders, those who know him say, exemplifies a distinct strain of Jewish identity, a secular offshoot at least 150 years old whose adherents in the shtetls of Eastern Europe and the jostling streets of the Lower East Side were socialists, anarchists, radicals and union organizers focused less on observance than on economic justice and repairing a broken world. Indeed, he seems more comfortable speaking about Pope Francis, whose views on income inequality he admires, than about his own religious beliefs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders...
Bernie Sanders is marching through his presidential campaign with a giant target on his back: his Jewishness. Unless the Democratic candidate begins to more publicly admit his Jewish identity (even though he doesn’t practice Judaism as a religion), it will become a huge vulnerability. If nominated, he will leave the Democratic Party susceptible to ugly smears by the Republicans, the press and conservative political action committees.
So far, Sanders has downplayed his Jewish heritage almost to the point of renunciation. In the victory speech he delivered after winning the New Hampshire primary, he said, “I am the son of a Polish immigrant.” He did not identify as “the son of a Jewish immigrant” or, even more simply, as a Jew.
And in the February 11 Democratic debate in Milwaukee, Hillary Clinton agreed with the moderators that if elected, she would make history as the first woman president. Sanders followed up by saying, “Somebody with my background, somebody with my views… I think a Sanders victory would be of some historical accomplishment as well.” For reasons he has not made clear, he is not naming his “background.”
But as the nomination process continues, it is imperative that Sanders name this background often — because you better believe the Republicans and the conservative press will, if he gets the nomination. Using oblique and coded language in small-town newspapers, and using more direct language on conservative radio, his opponents will call into question both his loyalty to America and his fundamental Americanness. For many Americans, national identity includes Christian identity. This understanding of “authentic” Americanness is rarely discussed and often not even acknowledged consciously, but I believe it remains part of the mainstream American Christian psyche, even among those who might vote Democratic.
Suggestions that Sanders is not really “one of us” could become a true wedge issue and derail the campaign.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-25 04:01:38 GMT)
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Эхо Москвы :: Особое мнение: Александр Проханов ...
echo.msk.ru/programs/personalno/976702-echo/comments.html
Dec 26, 2012 - он не первый в пересечении первым был БАБ. ...... только, с какого перепугу он себя в назначенцы наметил от ЕВРЕЙСКОГО ЭТНОСА. ...... Если национальное происхождение ДЕТЕРМИНИРУЕТ психику членов ...
5 hrs
принимать
Человек может признавать, что у него есть какие-то качества, знать о них, но не принимать - то есть не любить в себе это - не принимать свое тело, свою нацональность
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
sargis (X)
: признаться = publicly say or let people know he is Jew. If people are confused they expect he will let them know. So he has to принять himself and then признаться in that.
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Discussion
Just please insert a link next time.
Your reply: reactive connotation (Его обвинили в X и он признал свою вину) - you talking about connotation and we do not see any because you do not provide enough information for us.