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English term or phrase:
come to terms
English answer:
(Pavlov) was beginning to suspect this/come to that conclusion
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Yvonne Gallagher
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come to terms
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Hi,
I'm not sure about the meaning of "coming to terms with this idea" in the passage below.
I think it is used in the sense of "was beginning to understand" this process. Pavlov is older than Hebb, so I think he didn't have all the technology that was available to Hebb and could only imagine what actually happened in the brain..
What's your opinion?
thank you very much in advance for any hint!
One way neuroscientists have expressed the idea is that “neurons that fire together wire together.”
This phrase, known as “Hebb’s axiom,” named after the Canadian neuropsychologist Donald Hebb, essentially explains that when neurons fire simultaneously in response to an experience, those neurons become connected to each other, forming a network. And when an experience is repeated over and over, it deepens and strengthens the connections among those neurons. So when they fire together, they wire together.
The famous physiologist Ivan Pavlov was ** coming to terms with this idea ** when he found that his dogs would salivate not only when actual food appeared before them, but also when he rang the dinner bell for them to come eat. The dogs’ “salivation neurons” became wired, or functionally linked, to their “dinner-bell neurons.”
I'm not sure about the meaning of "coming to terms with this idea" in the passage below.
I think it is used in the sense of "was beginning to understand" this process. Pavlov is older than Hebb, so I think he didn't have all the technology that was available to Hebb and could only imagine what actually happened in the brain..
What's your opinion?
thank you very much in advance for any hint!
One way neuroscientists have expressed the idea is that “neurons that fire together wire together.”
This phrase, known as “Hebb’s axiom,” named after the Canadian neuropsychologist Donald Hebb, essentially explains that when neurons fire simultaneously in response to an experience, those neurons become connected to each other, forming a network. And when an experience is repeated over and over, it deepens and strengthens the connections among those neurons. So when they fire together, they wire together.
The famous physiologist Ivan Pavlov was ** coming to terms with this idea ** when he found that his dogs would salivate not only when actual food appeared before them, but also when he rang the dinner bell for them to come eat. The dogs’ “salivation neurons” became wired, or functionally linked, to their “dinner-bell neurons.”
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(Pavlov) was beginning to suspect this/come to that conclusion
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have an inkling this was the case
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https://books.google.ie/books?id=vpNFS3y1WTgC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA...
Pavlov definitely influenced Hebb and was starting to make these connections himself or at least to have a notion in his head that this might be the case so your original "was beginning to understand" is valid
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this might be useful
https://books.google.ie/books?id=TO0XBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA...
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Glad to have helped.
Yes, I can't see how the "reluctance" implied with the standard meaning of this term would fit this context
have an inkling this was the case
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https://books.google.ie/books?id=vpNFS3y1WTgC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA...
Pavlov definitely influenced Hebb and was starting to make these connections himself or at least to have a notion in his head that this might be the case so your original "was beginning to understand" is valid
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this might be useful
https://books.google.ie/books?id=TO0XBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA...
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Glad to have helped.
Yes, I can't see how the "reluctance" implied with the standard meaning of this term would fit this context
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Thank you very much, Gallagy, for these really useful and interesting links! |
Hi, neither do I... Actually, among the synonyms of "come to terms", I've found also come to an understanding http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/come-to-terms Maybe, the expression has been used in this sense.... Thanks again for your support! It's so difficult, at times, to balance the "standard meaning" of a word and the "factual knowledge"... |
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Comment: "Thank you very much for your help and your really useful links! I know that the standard meaning is the one posted by Acetran, but I think that in this case Gallagy’s answer - and to some extent also the one by Jonathan - more precisely convey the meaning of the expression in this particular context, as also shown in the references provided by Gallagy, both in his answer and in the Discussion."
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To come to accept; become reconciled to
That is what it means in standard English.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come to terms with
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=come to terms...
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come to terms with
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=come to terms...
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BrigitteHilgner
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Phoenix III
: Reconcile... Absolutely!
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Yvonne Gallagher
: or even begin to come to that conclusion/formulate that theory..//Just to be clear...I don't agree with "become reconciled to". There is no reluctance here
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Jack Doughty
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Thayenga
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Jean-Claude Gouin
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airmailrpl
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Charlesp
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(reluctantly) accept
It means accepting (reluctantly), not "to understand".
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Yvonne Gallagher
: no reluctance involved here that I can see//Yes, standard meaning which is not the case here imo. I didn't actually agree with 2nd part of Acetran's so have changed to neutral.
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Coming to terms with something involves accepting it with some difficulty. Acetran's "become reconciled to" implies reluctance and you agreed with that.
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Charlesp
: i agree, reluctantcy seems part of it.
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had entertained this idea
is how I understand it in this specific situation
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had more or less adopted this idea when...
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had flirted with the idea
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had more or less adopted this idea when...
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had flirted with the idea
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internalised
I will suggest "internalised" the fact that...
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https://books.google.ie/books?id=tcOvAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA...
Actually, that is my interpretation...
thanks for your help and also for your useful link!
Yes, I understand this as Pavlov was coming to that conclusion himself or at least was beginning to have some inkling of it or suspect it from his own experiments with dogs though he never actually formulated it (put it in words as such) but Hebb continued the work and proved (?) the theory. I put (?) because not everyone agree with Hebb's axiom!
* without knowing it *, Pavlov proved the modern....
and also what you wrote in your Agree to Acetran... "or even begin to come to that conclusion/formulate that theory.:
Pavlov was beginning to formulate the theory....
...Therefore, once these networks were linked by simultaneous firing, every time Pavlov rang a bell, his dogs would salivate. Without knowing it, Pavlov proved the modern neuroscientific adage, "neurons that wire together do indeed fire together."...