Spanish term
vos reverencial o arcáico
As you can guess, I have found this to be a great challenge in this work. My first reaction was to use the archaic English "thou." However, despite the fact that Biblical language has made us think of "thou" as full of deference on account of it being used to address God, it was actually the informal pronoun, and English writers of similarly medieval-themed novels from the above mentioned periods (when "thou" had fallen out of everyday use among all except people in very remote English and Scottish villages, as well as Quakers) seemed to have nevertheless been aware of this and used "thou/thee" and "ye/you" accordingly, i.e., if I recall correctly, a servant would never call his master "thou" (very disrespectful and insolent in that time) in such a work, nor would a knight call a peasant "ye."
Thus, my second reaction is to translate "vos" as "thee/thou" when a social superior is addressing an inferior, and to translate "vos" to "ye/you" when the social hierarchy relationship is reversed, as that would retain the archaism inherent in vos while largely putting it in line with the prevailing usage in medieval-themed English novels written at the same time mentioned above. However, this also makes me think that maybe I am adding something that is not there, since the reverential/archaic "vos" form does not seem to be restricted to talking to someone either above or below the speaker's station. For example, in one such novel, a traveling knight has a long conversation with a local villager and they both call each other "vos."
So, with regard to my commentary, which is the better option? Remember that my approach is to try to balance 1) making such novels read like comparable English novels of the same period and 2) being true to the text. Also, if there is a third option, I would be more than happy to hear about it. Thank you so much for your time!
4 +1 | you or an honorific | Peter Guest |
PRO (1): Billh
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Proposed translations
you or an honorific
As quoted in Wiki:
QUEEN GERTRUDE: Hamlet, thou hast thy father much offended.. (Mother to son)
HAMLET: Mother, you have my father much offended. (son to mother, supposedly with respect, but in fact with bitter sarcasm)
I don't have it reversed, I noted exactly what you said above, and that people often mistakenly believe that "thou" was formal due to its religious associations. |
That said, I would be more than happy to read your opinion on the issues of translating this form that I have tried to outline. |
agree |
philgoddard
: I'm not sure what you mean by an honorofic, but I'd definitely go with "you", to make it easy to read.
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your honour, your excellency, your highness, my lord, doctor, or whatever might be called for
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Discussion
I suspect Charles Davis is the man to answer this one.......
However, if you ask me, the danger with using words like 'thou' / 'thee' etc. is that the English will end up sounding mock-medieval, which tends to have a comical effect. Instead you could fold some more subtle archaic usages into the translation in other places in order to make up for the absence of an archaic equivalent for "vos".