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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

bail à réhabilitation

English translation:

renovation lease

Added to glossary by Jennifer Levey
Jan 17, 2015 23:08
9 yrs ago
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French term

bail à réhabilitation

French to English Law/Patents Real Estate
"Sous certaines conditions, les logements pris à bail à réhabilitation sont exonérés pendant la durée du bail."

Here is the French definition:
http://www.drihl.ile-de-france.developpement-durable.gouv.fr...

Maybe I need to retain the French term, but how should I translate it into English?
Proposed translations (English)
5 +2 renovation lease
4 repairing lease
Change log

Jan 28, 2015 12:31: Jennifer Levey Created KOG entry

Discussion

Edgar Bettridge Jan 19, 2015:
@ Robin I get your point. My only justification is that Jane and Daryo's agrees and disagrees swing the voting in favour of your answer, and they both base their view on the fact that repairing leases do not "improve" the property, which is not necessarily the case. Just wanted to redress the balance. Having said that, I think we all agree that French + explanation is probably the way forward!
Jennifer Levey Jan 19, 2015:
! Folk commenting here might like to bear in mind that Imogen's task is to translate three words - 'bail à réhabilitation' - from French to English.

She is not required to present a 90-page dissertation on the relevant legislation of two countries (one of them thus far un-identified...) for presentation in defense of a masters degree in comparative law.
Edgar Bettridge Jan 19, 2015:
Repairing leases can impose requirement to improve I am sure it is not one-to-one, but at least for UK eyes, repairing lease not a bad translation - if caveated. See: 'The repairing obligation is likely to stipulate at the outset that as at the date of entry, the tenant accepts the premises in ‘good and tenantable condition and repair and fit for the purpose for which they are let’ or similar words, whether or not they are. The tenant, if he accepts this, is thereafter obliged to repair, maintain and renew the premises in that state throughout the currency of the lease' - see http://www.caesar-howie.co.uk/services/leases/fri-guide.php.
Daryo Jan 18, 2015:
A point of method the proposed answer must correspond to the question

If one considered answer does not agree completely with the key elements of the question, then it's the wrong answer - plain and simple - no ifs nor buts - no sentimental attachment to nice sounding words... move to the next option!

Annoying little facts always win - like the difference between doing some work on a property to keep it in the same state of repair or the same tradesmen doing it in order to improve it.
Daryo Jan 18, 2015:
agree with Robin Levey
here "réhabilitation" is the equivalent for just one property of what is called "regeneration" for whole run-down areas.
you need to translate - an English reader can not be required to understand French - but the original name of this type of contracts should also be added to avoid any misinterpretation based on analogy with UK (or US or ...) laws.
Jennifer Levey Jan 17, 2015:
@Asker Unless you can find a straightforward one-to-one equivalence in the law of the target country - that's unlikely, unless there's an EU Directive lurking in the background - you will need to retain the French 'bail à réhabilitation' and explain the concept in a footnote.

If you do that, you should still not translate 'bail à réhabilitation' into English, to avoid possible confusion with legal concepts in English-language countries you may never have thought about, and where invented terms such as 'renovation lease' might in fact have some legal significance.

Proposed translations

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renovation lease

Standard international English-language terminology. For example:

Funding the Architectural Heritage: A Guide to Policies ...
https://books.google.cl/books?isbn=9287164983
Rob Pickard - 2009 - ‎Social Science
The renovation lease scheme set up by ANAH, in conjunction with the French ministry responsible for housing, provides a subsidy-funding vehicle for ...

European Cultural Heritage: A review of policies and practice
https://books.google.cl/books?isbn=9287148678
Rob Pickard, ‎Council of Europe - 2002 - ‎Cultural heritage
... company which would manage and fund the operation and then lease back the restored building to the former owners: - a "renovation lease" scheme, the aim ..

160 Fifth Avenue | RFR USA
www.rfr.com/propertymanagement/new-york/260
RFR completed the renovation and signed its first office following the renovation lease in October 2009. Building Information. Constructed. 1891-1892. Architect.

Renovation of 8 housing units in Clermont-Ferrand | Habitat ...
en.habitat-humanisme.org/renovation-8-housing-units-clermont-ferrand
This large white house, divided into 4 buildings was made available to the association by the local authority via a 15-year renovation lease. Having been ...


Toronto Community Housing wants $2M renovation of ...
www.torontosun.com/.../toronto-community-housing-wants-2m-r...
Oct 24, 2013 - Twitter Terry Davidson @Terrysunscribe. Don Summerville sale approved unanimously by TCHC board. On to the renovation lease debate.
Peer comment(s):
agree B D Finch : But also agree with your discussion comment about retaining the French.
8 hrs
agree Jane Phillips : My first reaction was a full repairing lease, but reading the French definition this is not at all the same thing as a repairing lease merely (as I believe) requires the tenant to maintain the property, not to improve it. idem keep the FR + explananation
9 hrs
agree Daryo : this kind of "réhabilitation" = put a run-down property back in good condition - the point of this kind of deal IOW the tenant takes on himself to renovate [improve] the property
10 hrs
disagree Adrian MM. (X) : Not renovation in the UK.
10 hrs
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56 mins

repairing lease

I would respectfully ask Robin Levey to keep off my answer and not to post any comments, even if it's an agree.
Example sentence:

A full repairing and insuring lease is a type of lease which places responsibility for the repair of the external, internal and structural format of the property

Reference:

http://www.anil.org/analyses-et-commentaires/jurisprudence/2006/bail-a-rehabilitation-baux-en-cours/

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/repairing-lease

Note from asker:
many thanks for your reply
Peer comment(s):
neutral Jennifer Levey : You don't want my 'agree' - so you'll not get it :) BTW, you have violated a site rule (look it up!).
21 mins
Pls. I asked you to refrain from commenting on the very footing of your questionable interpretation of General Site Rule 2: Mutual respect, professionalism and fair play are expected.
neutral B D Finch : A (full) "repairing lease" does not make the leaseholder responsible for putting the property into better condition than it was at the start of the lease.// Any improvements would need an additional clause. I've managed properties on full repairing leases
9 hrs
'Properties requiring refubishments can be let on a full repairing and insuring lease'. The asker is in the UK and not in Chile, so repairing lease is the convention: http://www.bodorgan.com/renovations.html
agree Edgar Bettridge : when I was looking at renting a shop, this was the UK term used. No doubt not 1-to-1 bail a rehab in all respects so there is danger of confusion.
10 hrs
Intriguing (book vs. fish-and-chip?) shop info. A repairing-refurbishment lease might be closer to the mark.
disagree Daryo : "repairing lease" = the tenant pays for repairs (would usually be paid by the owner, thus it needs being specified) to keep the property in the same state of repair // ST: the tenant has to improve the property (=la réhabilitation)
11 hrs
You will know from your vast Landlord & Tenant practice = practical experience in the UK that repairing leases cover a broad spectrum from merely paying for the repairs to refurbishment of the property. Rehab does can NOT mean fuill renovation.
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