Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
valeur d'emergence
English translation:
(noise) emergence value
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Jul 27, 2014 08:00
9 yrs ago
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French term
valeur d'emergence
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Environment & Ecology
noise emissions
Mise en place d’un dispositif d’insonorisation de la turbine en conformité avec les valeurs d’émergence autorisées par l’arrêté préfectoral du site soit 5dB de jour et 3dB de nuit en limite de site
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | (noise) emergence value |
Tony M
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| 5 -1 | noise levels |
kashew
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| 3 | [noise] emission value |
Anca Florescu-Mitchell
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| 4 -1 | noise emission level |
B D Finch
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Change log
Aug 10, 2014 06:30: Tony M Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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(noise) emergence value
http://www.installationsclassees.developpement-durable.gouv....
What is emergence?
“Emergence is a temporary modification of the ambient level caused by the appearance or disappearance of a specific noise.” AFNOR
Emergence is defined under the law as the difference between the equivalent A-weighted continuous acoustic pressure levels of ambient noise (operating facility) and residual noise (in the absence of noise generated by the facility but measured over the operating period of the facility); in the case of a facility subject to an authorised modification, residual noise does not include the noise generated by the entire modified facility.
And please see previous KudoZ:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/environment_ecol...
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The figures given indicate that adding the unwanted (polluting) noise must not add more than 5 db (day) / 3 dB (night) to the background noise level — the 3 dB night value in particular is extremely low, so an extremely stringent requirement.
However, that view is slightly simplistic, in terms of the way in which it can be assessed...
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It attempts to quantify, of course, how disturbing a noise is when it goes on and off, for example. The figure of 3 dB for night would be fairly unobtrusive against a typical quiet country background level of say 30 dB (but would represent a much lower SPL, like a bird singing softly), whereas against a 140 dB jet engine, it would be a much higher actual SPL!
What is emergence?
“Emergence is a temporary modification of the ambient level caused by the appearance or disappearance of a specific noise.” AFNOR
Emergence is defined under the law as the difference between the equivalent A-weighted continuous acoustic pressure levels of ambient noise (operating facility) and residual noise (in the absence of noise generated by the facility but measured over the operating period of the facility); in the case of a facility subject to an authorised modification, residual noise does not include the noise generated by the entire modified facility.
And please see previous KudoZ:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/environment_ecol...
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Note added at 11 heures (2014-07-27 19:01:18 GMT)
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The figures given indicate that adding the unwanted (polluting) noise must not add more than 5 db (day) / 3 dB (night) to the background noise level — the 3 dB night value in particular is extremely low, so an extremely stringent requirement.
However, that view is slightly simplistic, in terms of the way in which it can be assessed...
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Note added at 11 heures (2014-07-27 19:04:56 GMT)
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It attempts to quantify, of course, how disturbing a noise is when it goes on and off, for example. The figure of 3 dB for night would be fairly unobtrusive against a typical quiet country background level of say 30 dB (but would represent a much lower SPL, like a bird singing softly), whereas against a 140 dB jet engine, it would be a much higher actual SPL!
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: You're right and I should have remembered it from a fairly recent translation I did. Though I think it's "level" rather than "value".
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Thanks, B! I think that point is arguable, but I certainly won't dispute your suggestion.
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Duncan Moncrieff
: The nature of the concept definitely requires the use of emergence.
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Thanks a lot, Duncan!
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Related KudoZ points
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[noise] emission value
Many references on the Internet.
Peer comment(s):
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Claire Cox
: I have it down in my glossaries as "noise aggravation", but I think in this case they're referring to noise emissions
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Thank you, Claire.
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Tony M
: It has a very special meaning here, and the figures give the lie to this suggestion. / The issue is not the mere semantics of 'level' vs. 'value', but of the underlying concept, as explained by the official French source in my ref.
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Value, Tony, not level.
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noise levels
www.kineticsnoise.com › Industrial Noise and Vibration
Noise ordinances are laws which limit the allowable noise level(s) at different times of day for different zoned areas (i.e. residential, commercial, industrial).
Noise ordinances are laws which limit the allowable noise level(s) at different times of day for different zoned areas (i.e. residential, commercial, industrial).
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: It has a very special meaning here, and the figures give the lie to this suggestion.
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noise emission level
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=148318224X
N. A. Chigier - 1979 - Science
The introduction of these devices has led to reduction in fuel economy and to ... but have relatively high smoke, odor-constituents and noise emission levels.
www.fhwa.dot.gov › Environment › Noise › Measurement
This section describes recommended procedures for the measurement of vehicle noise emission levels. Among other purposes, emission levels are required to ...
www.fhwa.dot.gov › Environment › Noise › Measurement
This section describes recommended procedures for the measurement of vehicle noise emission levels. Among other purposes, emission levels are required to ...
N. A. Chigier - 1979 - Science
The introduction of these devices has led to reduction in fuel economy and to ... but have relatively high smoke, odor-constituents and noise emission levels.
www.fhwa.dot.gov › Environment › Noise › Measurement
This section describes recommended procedures for the measurement of vehicle noise emission levels. Among other purposes, emission levels are required to ...
www.fhwa.dot.gov › Environment › Noise › Measurement
This section describes recommended procedures for the measurement of vehicle noise emission levels. Among other purposes, emission levels are required to ...
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Tony M
: It has a very special meaning here, and the figures give the lie to this suggestion.
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Discussion
Whether or not a footnote is necessary or desirable is clearly a question for Asker to decide, no doubt based in part on the expected level of technical knowledge of the intended readership of this document.
émergence : la différence entre les niveaux de pression continus équivalents pondérés A du bruit ambiant (établissement en fonctionnement) et du bruit résiduel (en l'absence du bruit généré par l'établissement) ; dans le cas d'un établissement faisant l'objet d'une modification autorisée, le bruit résiduel exclut le bruit généré par l'ensemble de l'établissement modifié ;
(from http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=LEGITE...
The reference I cite is an EN decription of a purely FR concept — as you will read if you look at the previous KudoZ reference I also cited. It is an official FR Govenment document, which appears to have been well translated, and there is no reason to question its authority.
However, my key argument with you is simply that, while the term you suggest is of course a perfectly valid term in EN, it is NOT in any way, shape, or form a translation of the source term — they are two entirely different concepts.
It's easy to find references to support this or that suggestion; but none of your references so far have any direct link to any translation of the very specific topic here, which is detailed in the source-reference I have mentioned below. What you are doing here is seeking to compare apples and oranges.
http://ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecm...
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecm...