English term
United States
Very fast turnaround
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, Arabic to French, and 1 more.
before
, personally known to me or proved to me on the basis of satisfactory evidence to be the individual whose name is subscribed to the within instrument and acknowledged to me that he executed the same in his capacity as a Senior Vice President
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SylvieLH
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Tony M
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Germaine
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Jul 14, 2014 20:27: Lorraine Dubuc changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Jul 14, 2014 22:50: writeaway changed "Field (write-in)" from "law " to "preposition"
Non-PRO (3): DLyons, Germaine, Lorraine Dubuc
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Proposed translations
par-devant
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Note added at 4 heures (2014-07-14 22:14:14 GMT)
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To try and allay the misgivings of some people concerning this term, used in a specifically legal sense (as I have seen it used in many legal documents here in France), here is a direct copy of the entry from my R+C:
par-devant
1 préposition Droit
par-devant notaire : in the presence of ou before a lawyer
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it then goes on to mention its other uses in everyday, non-legal senses.
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Note added at 4 heures (2014-07-14 22:17:23 GMT)
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In fact, I see it is even used without the hyphen; just out of curiosity, I tried a Google search on a typical expression — "comparu par devant" — which returned a healthy 101,000 results, at least some of which seem to be pertinent; and that was of course only one fairly narrow collocation...
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Daryo
: and the term to translate is "before me" not just "before"
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Merci, Daryo ! I don't really think that changes anything, inasmuch as it might be before her / the judge / the notaire, etc.
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Annie Rigler
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Thanks, Annie!
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Lorraine Dubuc
: Devant moi, simplement. Sorry what you wrote means from the front, which is not at all what before me means. They came to the front door, ils sont arrivés par devant. You see what I mean?
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Fair enough, if you say so... though this is one answer given in dictionaries, so I think 'disagree' is a little strong here, given that this could be right in some contexts. Ah no, 'par devant' is a specific expression in legal terminology.
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HERBET Abel
: "devant moi", "en ma présence" est préférable. Le "ci-devant" Senior Vice President ( seul vice qu'on lui connaisse peut-être)
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I've seen 'par-devant' used in lots of legal docs here in France...
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Germaine
: effectivement, par(-)devant est correct (= en présence de); ce n'est pas a CA/FR thing, c'est seulement dépassé (pour ne pas dire archaïque) et de nos jours, "devant" suffit.
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Merci, Germaine, pour ces précisions ! C'est clair que le dico n'est pas en mesure de donner ce genre d'information précieuse.
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writeaway
: I've only ever seen devant in such texts (from France) but naturally that doesn't mean much as I can imagine my experience is not as vast. Non, par-devant is not a Canadian thing. it's just not used in this context in France either. RC for legal???
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No need to be sarcastic! I bow to your far greater knowledge and experience in a specifically legal field, but at least you acknowledge the term does exist, albeit apparently no longer current. / No, RC for 'preposition', as you have defined it.
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Reference comments
Par devant, devant
Sur le devant d’une chose, d’un animé. Une grotte haute et profonde par devant laquelle tombe une épaisse brassée de lianes vertes à fleurs roses (CLAUDEL, Soulier, 1944…) P. ext. En présence de. Par devant notaire (STENDHAL, L. Leuwen, t. 2, 1836, p. 286). Par devant notre Sainte Mère l’Église! (BOURGES, Crépusc. dieux, 1884, p. 199).
http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/visusel.exe?84;...
Ce jourd'hui le 2me Mars 1677 comparaît par devant moi Guillaume van den Hove notaire public et les témoins ci-dessous nommés…
http://books.google.ca/books?id=bYgRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA116&lpg=PA...
Et même dépassée, l’expression s’incruste à l’occasion :
Managua, le dix-huit mars de l’an 2009 à onze heures. Comparaît par-devant moi, Walter Abraham Molina Perez, avocat et notaire de la République du Nicaragua, établi à Managua, dûment autorisé par la Cour suprême de Justice à exercer la charge de notaire pendant…
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/133/17729.pdf
Il vous est par le présent ordonné, toute affaire cessante et excuse mise de côté, d'être et comparaître en personne devant moi, soussigné, à…
http://books.google.ca/books?id=KzIaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR109&lpg=PR...
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writeaway
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Tony M
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Christian Fournier
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Discussion
"AAA appeared personally before me, the undersigned, on the ... day of May, in the year 2014"
Au sujet de "comparaît en personne devant moi, soussigné, AAA", je l'interprète différemment car le point après AAA est mal placé je pense.
Cad : Ce [?e] jour de mai 2014, le soussigné AAA s'est présenté devant moi en personne. je le connais perso...." ?????