Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

true and lawful Attorneys-in-Fact

Serbian translation:

(zakoniti) prokurista, punomoćnik

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Dec 23, 2013 15:17
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English term

true and lawful Attorneys-in-Fact

English to Serbian Law/Patents Law: Contract(s)
NOW DO HEREBY appoint ... to be our true and lawful Attorneys-in-Fact, to act in our name, place and stead
Proposed translations (Serbian)
4 -1 (zakoniti) prokurista
4 +2 punomoćnik
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Dec 26, 2013 15:58: LogosART Created KOG entry

Discussion

Natasa Stankovic Dec 25, 2013:
Pošto piše „…to be our true and lawful Attorneys-in-Fact, to act in our name…“ (a ne „my“), moglo bi se zaključiti da se radi baš o privrednom društvu, a ne o osobi, pojedincu. Ipak bi bilo najbolje kada bi nam Sanja to razjasnila.
Daryo Dec 25, 2013:
Прокура
Из Википедије, слободне енциклопедије
Прокура, као институт, потиче из Германског права, и представља пуномоћје чија су садржина и обим овлашћења одређени законом. Сама реч прокура је латинског порекла и потиче од глагола procurare, што значи: обављати послове у име другога; управљати.[1] Како бисмо ближе одредили овај појам, можемо рећи да је прокура као пуномоћје везана за привредну делатност, тј односи се на заступање привредних друштава. У складу са тим, прокуру уводи и дефинише Закон о привредним друштвима.
[http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прокура]

Same as in Croatian: a professional acting on behalf of a company, not any person who has been empowered to sign documents for another individual; there are some similarities, but it's not the same, and there's no "poetic licence" in legal terminology.
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LogosART Dec 23, 2013:
Broader meaning of "Attorneys-in-Fact" Daryo, tvoj je navod korektan, ali ujedno i najuži smisao koji odgovara tvoji tezi. No molim te da malo "googlaš", pa češ vidjeti širi smisao izraza ""Attorneys-in-Fact". Regards!
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q="Prokur...
Daryo Dec 23, 2013:
"Attorneys-in-Fact" contains in the name a clue as to what it is.
"in-Fact" is an indication that that person is not a professional attorney (not necessarily) but in fact acts as an attorney i.e. on behalf of s.o. else.- any person who has been empowered to sign documents for another individual. - [http://www.nationalnotary.org/bulletin/best_practices/what_i...]
That could be a family member or friend that you authorise to sign something on your behalf, without them being either paid for that or being professional lawyers.

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(zakoniti) prokurista

(zakoniti) prokurista
http://poslovi.infostud.com/zanimanje/Prokurista/122





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PROKURISTA

Prokurista je zastupnik privrednog društva, koji je dužan da poštuje sva ograničenja i ovlašćenja koja su mu data na zastupanje odlukom nadležnog organa društva, statutom ili osnivačkim aktom društva. To je osoba kojoj je dodeljena najšira trgovačka punomoć, sa velikom širinom ovlašćenja koja je utvrđena zakonom. Prokura predstavlja zakonsku formu ovlašćenja kojim privredno društvo ovlašćuje jedno ili više lica za zaključivanje pravnih poslova i radnji u vezi sa delatnošću društva. Prokuru može dati trgovačko društvo i trgovac pojedinac.
Prokurista može biti samo fizička osoba i obavezan je potpisivati kompaniju tako da ispod nje potpiše svoje ime s dodatkom iz kojeg se vidi da se radi o prokuri (pp = per procura).
Davanje i prestanak prokure upisuje se u sudski registar, prokura se daje u pisanom obliku, neprenosiva je i može se dati samo fizičkom licu.

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Note added at 40 min (2013-12-23 15:57:35 GMT)
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Prokurist > Attorney-in-fact
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q="Prokur...

Peer comment(s):

disagree Daryo : an attorneys-in-fact can as well act as such for free and for private individuals, not for a company; similar to a point but not that//you can't just assume a narrower meaning than the one of the ST+ doesn’t t fit the definition of this ST
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Daryo, kako znaš da to ovdje nije slučaj? Budući da nemaš širi kontekst, zar ne bi bilo bolje procjenu prepustiti Sanji? P.S. Priložio sam ti link iz kojeg možeš vidjeti da uopće nisi u pravu!
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Reference:

What Is...An Attorney In Fact?

An attorney in fact is a person authorized to sign documents on someone else’s behalf, but is not necessarily a practicing lawyer. It can mean any person who has been empowered to sign documents for another individual.

When an attorney in fact signs a document, the signature should include the name of the principal he or she represents. For example, if John Smith is signing on behalf of Jane Doe, the signature might read, “John Smith, attorney in fact for Jane Doe” or “Jane Doe, signed by John Smith, attorney-in-fact.” Attorneys in fact may only be used for acknowledgments. A jurat must always be signed, sworn or affirmed in person by the primary signer, since no one can take an oath or affirmation for another person.

When completing a certificate for an attorney in fact, all normal requirements must be met. The attorney in fact must provide satisfactory identification. Remember, you must enter the attorney in fact’s name in the notarial certificate, not the absent principal’s name. In the journal entry, write down the attorney in fact’s information and note on whose behalf he or she is signing."
[http://www.nationalnotary.org/bulletin/best_practices/what_i...]
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