Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
identità della domanda in garanzia
English translation:
sameness of the third-party (for a contribution and an indemnity)
Added to glossary by
Adrian MM. (X)
Oct 18, 2013 07:38
10 yrs ago
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Italian term
United Kingdom
identità della domanda in garanzia
Italian to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Litigation involving a waste management company and the Italian government:
Va da ultimo segnalata la pendenza di un giudizio monitorio proposto da X nei confronti di Y per il pagamento dei corrispettivi derivanti dall’incarico conferito dal 2001 al 2008.
La pretesa monitoria è stata avanzata contro la Y, la quale a sua volta, ha chiamato in garanzia la Z.
Quest’ultima, fra l’altro, ha – in primo luogo – eccepito ***l’identità della domanda in garanzia*** con parte di quella già oggetto del giudizio promosso dalla Y avanti al Tribunale di [CITTA'] e definito con sentenza n. 1234/99
I understand the concept of 'domanda in garanzia' (demand on guarantor, to call as a guarantor) but the best exact wording and what
Va da ultimo segnalata la pendenza di un giudizio monitorio proposto da X nei confronti di Y per il pagamento dei corrispettivi derivanti dall’incarico conferito dal 2001 al 2008.
La pretesa monitoria è stata avanzata contro la Y, la quale a sua volta, ha chiamato in garanzia la Z.
Quest’ultima, fra l’altro, ha – in primo luogo – eccepito ***l’identità della domanda in garanzia*** con parte di quella già oggetto del giudizio promosso dalla Y avanti al Tribunale di [CITTA'] e definito con sentenza n. 1234/99
I understand the concept of 'domanda in garanzia' (demand on guarantor, to call as a guarantor) but the best exact wording and what
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | identicality of the third-party (E&W: Part 20) claim {for a contribution and an INDEMNITY) |
Adrian MM. (X)
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Nov 1, 2013 09:44: Adrian MM. (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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identicality of the third-party (E&W: Part 20) claim {for a contribution and an INDEMNITY)
Identicality - Latin-based - would certainly be a Spanish-extrapolated meaning.
BTW, it's not a 'under warranty' cf. FHS Bridge's FR>EN glossary entry and, e.g. only in Argentina, can be a road accident's victim direct claim on the offending motorist's insurance policy.
NB in the UK, a defendant brings or joins in a third party defendant for a 'contribution & an indemnity' from the latter - it is *not* strictly a guarantee of guarantor to a creditor for a debtor's.
But the claimant a.k.a. plaintiff can add a co-defendant. That's a trick civil litigation law finals question.
But let us see what Sebastiano's esteemed Sicilian view is of my musings.
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...for a debt owed by the debtor.
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Slight mixing of Italian 'metaphors', David.
Y - the defendant - *joins in* Z as TP ('Part 20') *defendant*.
If X is the claimant, s/he could add Z as a *co*-defendant to Y who then becomes a *co*-defendant.
PS most UK law (Bar & Solicitors') finalists fail the civil procedure = litigation exam paper.
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E&W:
X as claimant -> sues Y as defendant -> who joins in Z as a TP for a contribution and indemnity in case of judgment against Y
X
sues / \ then adds
defendant Y<> Z as a co-defendant
<> Y can bring 'contribution proceedings' against Z in case of judgment against Y
BTW, it's not a 'under warranty' cf. FHS Bridge's FR>EN glossary entry and, e.g. only in Argentina, can be a road accident's victim direct claim on the offending motorist's insurance policy.
NB in the UK, a defendant brings or joins in a third party defendant for a 'contribution & an indemnity' from the latter - it is *not* strictly a guarantee of guarantor to a creditor for a debtor's.
But the claimant a.k.a. plaintiff can add a co-defendant. That's a trick civil litigation law finals question.
But let us see what Sebastiano's esteemed Sicilian view is of my musings.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2013-10-18 13:44:56 GMT)
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...for a debt owed by the debtor.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2013-10-18 14:12:43 GMT)
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Slight mixing of Italian 'metaphors', David.
Y - the defendant - *joins in* Z as TP ('Part 20') *defendant*.
If X is the claimant, s/he could add Z as a *co*-defendant to Y who then becomes a *co*-defendant.
PS most UK law (Bar & Solicitors') finalists fail the civil procedure = litigation exam paper.
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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2013-10-19 16:20:44 GMT)
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E&W:
X as claimant -> sues Y as defendant -> who joins in Z as a TP for a contribution and indemnity in case of judgment against Y
X
sues / \ then adds
defendant Y<> Z as a co-defendant
<> Y can bring 'contribution proceedings' against Z in case of judgment against Y
Reference:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/italian_to_english/law_general/4411502-domanda_di_garanzia.html
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your help, Tom. My understanding is that Y - the defendant - adds Z as a a third-party co-defendant to indemnify Y. Z objects given the "identicality" of the third-party claim, already settled in the case brought by Y before the Court of [City] |
| Thanks for the clarification. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
MamaG
: noted on the net - "The district court dismissed the complaint of ... on the grounds of res judicata, holding that the .... was in privity with the .... in the earlier suit and, hence, that there was identicality of parties in the two cases."
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Grazie and many thanks for introducing the idea of privity into the 'quasi-contractual' context.
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| agree |
Sebastiano Massimo Barbagallo
: Being called into question (even if not "as a guarantor"), and after malevolently examining Tom's answer I have unfortunately nothing to object to his answer. :-)
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Grazie and thank you for being enlisted and 'implicated' as a third-party backer.
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