Apr 24, 2013 11:33
11 yrs ago
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French term
la limite panique basse
French to English
Medical
Biology (-tech,-chem,micro-)
Lab report
This is from a 'bacteriologie virologie parasitologie' report on stool samples from a patient. It says:
'Valeur inférieur a` la limite panique Basse'
There is also 'Valeur supérieure a` la limite panique Haute'
What on earth does panique mean here?! I can find barely any hits on google.fr for it!
I have translated 'Valeur inférieure `a la normale basse' as 'value less than the lower limit of normal'
Any help would be appreciated! :)
'Valeur inférieur a` la limite panique Basse'
There is also 'Valeur supérieure a` la limite panique Haute'
What on earth does panique mean here?! I can find barely any hits on google.fr for it!
I have translated 'Valeur inférieure `a la normale basse' as 'value less than the lower limit of normal'
Any help would be appreciated! :)
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | lower panic limit | Daryo |
4 | typo, value under the lower limit of normal, or below the inferior threhold | Drmanu49 |
Proposed translations
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lower panic limit
"panique" is "panic", and I'm nor surprised at all it's being used.
I don't see any need to make it sound milder in the translation.
There are probably all the reasons in the world "to panic" if a virus count is out of the normal.
"The cell-dyn 1800 system operator's manual, principles of operation, subsection: dispersional data alerts, states that if results for a parameter fall between the lower patient limit and the lower panic limit, the results are highlighted (white lettering on blue background) on the screen."
[http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfMAUDE/de...]
I don't see any need to make it sound milder in the translation.
There are probably all the reasons in the world "to panic" if a virus count is out of the normal.
"The cell-dyn 1800 system operator's manual, principles of operation, subsection: dispersional data alerts, states that if results for a parameter fall between the lower patient limit and the lower panic limit, the results are highlighted (white lettering on blue background) on the screen."
[http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfMAUDE/de...]
Peer comment(s):
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liz askew
: http://amisha.pragmaticdata.com/~gunther/oldhtml/tables.html
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Thanks!
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philgoddard
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Thanks!
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typo, value under the lower limit of normal, or below the inferior threhold
IMO
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Note added at 19 minutes (2013-04-24 11:53:03 GMT)
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There is a possibility for panic value or critical value
this would be value under the lower panic/critical threshold
www.nursingcenter.com › Home › Journal Articles › Journal Issue
by MD Barry Ladizinski - 2011 - Related articles
Lower socioeconomic status and a primary level of education may also play a role in the ... Critical limits (panic values) for both men and women are less than 5.0 g/dL or greater than 20.0 g/dL. For the ..... Bacteriology of sickle cell leg ulcers.
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Note added at 19 minutes (2013-04-24 11:53:03 GMT)
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There is a possibility for panic value or critical value
this would be value under the lower panic/critical threshold
www.nursingcenter.com › Home › Journal Articles › Journal Issue
by MD Barry Ladizinski - 2011 - Related articles
Lower socioeconomic status and a primary level of education may also play a role in the ... Critical limits (panic values) for both men and women are less than 5.0 g/dL or greater than 20.0 g/dL. For the ..... Bacteriology of sickle cell leg ulcers.
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Not really a typo, probably simply a bit of sloppy usage. As you say, looks like it should be "panic value", used as a synonym for "critical value", around 3 500 Ghits, which is probably a good sign! Ex :http://www.stanfordlab.com/pages/panicvalues.htm
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typo was more a question, I have seen critical value used in reports but never pani values in this context.
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Reference comments
37 mins
Reference:
panic value, critical value, alert value, decision level
"Value" rather than limit, as suggested by DrManu49 seems to be a logical explanation for this one. Perhaps a sloppy choice of term with "limit" whereas "value" seems to be used.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/panic value
And then :
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/decision lev...
http://www.westgard.com/glossary.htm
Medical decision level, decision level, Xc. A concentration of analyte where medical interpretation is critical for patient care. There may be several different medical decision levels for a particular analyte. Xc should provide guidance for selecting relevant estimates of stable imprecision, stable inaccuracy, and matrix inaccuracy. This is analogous to identifying a critical Target Value (TV) for assessing test performance and validating QC design.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/panic value
And then :
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/decision lev...
http://www.westgard.com/glossary.htm
Medical decision level, decision level, Xc. A concentration of analyte where medical interpretation is critical for patient care. There may be several different medical decision levels for a particular analyte. Xc should provide guidance for selecting relevant estimates of stable imprecision, stable inaccuracy, and matrix inaccuracy. This is analogous to identifying a critical Target Value (TV) for assessing test performance and validating QC design.
47 mins
Reference:
see
Classification of hepatitis C virus and human immunodeficiency ...
vir.sgmjournals.org/content/89/9/2098.full.pdf
500 results ... Journal of General Virology (2008), 89, 2098–2107 ... establish *** critical threshold values*** and error rates for subtype inference, we tested the ...
vir.sgmjournals.org/content/89/9/2098.full.pdf
500 results ... Journal of General Virology (2008), 89, 2098–2107 ... establish *** critical threshold values*** and error rates for subtype inference, we tested the ...
Discussion
Thanks again!
I could appreciate alarm over a high viral count but not a low one. So what is it with this panic nonsense?
It appears to me that there has been some sort of distortion of language at some point in the life history of this text.
Generally the high and low values reported as the normal range in medicine are statistically derived and represent the values two standard deviations above and below the mean. This corresponds to the upper and lower 2.5 percent.
Then there are the so called critical values which often have some biological significance beyond the strictly statistical derivation. On the low end it may simply represent the threshold for detectability.
"value under the lower panic/critical threshold"
Rare indeed though in Fr or in EN. You might like to put the question to your client.